looks like someone is in for a real tough fight. pac better not fool around not one bit. its serious this time.
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Pacquiao is capable of knocking out Marquez in the first round!
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JJM knows whats at stake..is training even arder..knows what to expect...i say JMM by UD or maybe even ko/tko (but if JMM ko's pac it will be very late in fight maybe 11-12thround)
pac is not winning a UD/SD on JMM..pac only chance is to ko JMM
pac is not going to school JMM in there
its gonna be a great fight...pac faces morales win or lose..so good times...
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Originally posted by HurlexJJM knows whats at stake..is training even arder..knows what to expect...i say JMM by UD or maybe even ko/tko (but if JMM ko's pac it will be very late in fight maybe 11-12thround)
pac is not winning a UD/SD on JMM..pac only chance is to ko JMM
pac is not going to school JMM in there
its gonna be a great fight...pac faces morales win or lose..so good times...
pac's only chance against such a skilled counterpuncher is to swarm JMM
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Originally posted by JaNnOdid u see the mab-pac fight? there's your answer to your skepticism.
Mentioning Barrera-Pac at this point is to avoid the discussion. Pac's style against both Barrera and Marquez was nearly identical, and will be again for Pac-Marquez II. Very unfortunate for Pac that he is simply not a fighter that can adjust, while Marquez will do exactly that.
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Originally posted by MunnI'm not skeptical, I'm convinced.
Mentioning Barrera-Pac at this point is to avoid the discussion. Pac's style against both Barrera and Marquez was nearly identical, and will be again for Pac-Marquez II. Very unfortunate for Pac that he is simply not a fighter that can adjust, while Marquez will do exactly that.
what are you talkin about, pac did adjust in the fight in rounds 7 thru 12 and took the initiative again in the later rounds.
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I disagree. Marquez got caught with good shots and he was still cold, and any normal good fighter would have probably been down and out. But Marquez stamina, conditioning, and resistance is anything but normal. His great conditioning will keep him from being Koed. His training at nearly 15,000 feet above sea will allow him to stay up or get up if things get rough and his skills, hand speed, and power will keep him in the fight as long as his heart desires.
Dont Forget, Barrera got hurt many times against pac but ultimately his body, brain or chin never gave out.. it was his heart.Last edited by .::|ULTIMATE|::.; 12-31-2004, 08:58 PM.
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Originally posted by JaNnOi take that back, harold saw manny winning by 5 points. the same way the other judge saw it. larry merchant had pac winning a close fight.
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Originally posted by .::|ULTIMATE|::.I disagree. Marquez got caught with good shots and he was still cold, and any normal good fighter would have probably been down and out. But Marquez stamina, conditioning, and resistance is anything but normal. His great conditioning will keep him from being Koed. His training at nearly 15,000 feet above sea will allow him to stay up or get up if things get rough and his skills, hand speed, and power will keep him in the fight as long as his heart desires.
Dont Forget, Barrera got hurt many times against pac but ultimately his body, brain or chin never gave out.. it was his heart.
And Barrera's body gave up before his heart. He fell down due to exhaustion in the end. Eventually his heart gave way.
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sh_t all this trash talking is just keeping me hungrier to see the f_ck_ng rematch, bet its gonna be a hell of a fight...
anyone intrested in a signature and/or avatar bet??? just pm me if anyone is interested...PAC WILL BEAT JMM
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There are a few variables to this fight, something that makes me very interested in it.
Marquez: No way will he allow that first round to happen again. This fight should go into the late rounds. Marquez knows how to avoid the big shots and would just love Manny to jump in throwing bombs so he can counter them. Look for lots of lateral movement and (punch-counter-clinch/step to the side) type fighting from Marquez. His main plan in this fight will be to keep Manny turning so he can't lung in straight at him. He should be able to win most of the rounds if he can avoid getting caught.
Sounds bad for Manny?......maybe not
Pac: One of the main things I noticed about their first fight was the way Manny was pretty much only using his straight left. After the fight many people were stating Pac was "exposed" as a one dimensional fighter. I don't actually buy into this. If you watch the Pac vs Barrera fight, Pac was using alot of angles and short hooks, uppercuts as well as the big left to throw Barreras rhythm off. Pac did almost none of this in his fight with Marquez. Barrera's game plan in that fight was to counter Pac, the exact same plan Marquez will have in the rematch. I won't get into the argument as to who is the better counter puncher in Barrera and Marquez. I would look for Pac to use more of before mentioned tools in efforts to throw Marquez's rhythm/game plan off. Roach is too smart not to have noticed this and will be beating this into Pacs head all during training camp.
Predicting a winner is hard because both guys have the tools to win. Right now I would go with Pac. Simply because he isn't going in with caution in mind.....Marquez is. With that said, its hard to dispute any counter arguments that Marquez can pull it off. But my gut says Pac.
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