Jean Pascal: Just heard Froch vs Bute wont happen

[brysquared1016]

Bute had an opportunity to engage in the tournament himself but he didnt.

Id rather see Ward-Bute as well but to say Bute has "proven himself" especially more than Froch is wrong (to be kind). Its actually ******ed to suggest that if im being honest.

Oh from the way I had interpreted it at the start of the tournament Bute was being left out of the fights, not trying to avoid them. If he was trying to duck the tournament, then he has had no reason to complain the last 2 and half years that he deserves to be in the super 6.

I never said Bute had proven himself more than Froch, all I said was Bute had proven he was the better fighter than Froch. He hasn't faced anywhere near the level of competition that Froch has experienced, but he has shown a smart style that has proven lethal against all competition he has faced so far. I don't think Bute is anywhere near perfect (I really don't even like him), and I think if he faced Ward he would lose just like Froch did, but I do think Bute has the upper hand on Froch in the ring with his fundamentals, accuracy, and ability to strategically pick his opponent apart.

[Patrick Boxing]

Not sure how that's a typo. It's spelled correctly.

Bute would give a great show no matter who the guy was he fought

[brysquared1016]

Bute would give a great show no matter who the guy was he fought

Finally, someone who agrees with me! lol. Bute may fight weak opponents but he has a good style and is confident, two things essential for a great match.

[Teddy Brenner]

Ward's style is tailor-made for Bute's uppercuts.

[brysquared1016]

Ward's style is tailor-made for Bute's uppercuts.

So do you think Ward or Bute win in a matchup? I agree about the uppercuts, but Bute would have to catch Ward and hurt him badly to win, otherwise Ward by decision. I just don't know if Bute would be able to hit Ward early and often, but his pressure would be key in that fight.

[Hitman932]

Showtime really ****ed up with Bute and now they are trying to bail themselves out.

They signed Bute to a 4 fight deal and then let him fight 3 bums. Now they only have him for 1 more fight and of course they want it to be Ward since they have paid him for a bunch of one sided fights.

They can't force Ward-Bute to happen if neither guy is ready now, but they can refuse to televise them fighting other opponents in the meantime. If Showtime holds out and says "we're only going to televise you guys against each other." it might get them the fight they want but it will likely damage the relationship and give both guys an easy excuse to bolt for HBO afterwards.

[kiaba360]

My point exactly lol. Why put Froch up against Bute for a guaranteed Bute victory, when you could pit Ward against Bute to prove who is elite at super middleweight! Froch has proven to be a hard fighter like you said, but it takes a certain will to win and he couldn't exhibit that against Andre Ward when Ward only had one good hand.

Fantasy fights don't work for me. This is why I was very happy to hear that Froch/Bute was gonna pop off not once, but twice. If Ward isn't willing to face him right away, than who else is Bute supposed to fight? His fight with Froch would make perfect sense. Bute doesn't have anyone on his resume that is ranked as high as Froch is, period. It's a fight that should happen, because even if he fights and beats Ward, he still can't say he beat Froch. I don't believe in triangle-theories either lol.

Do I think Bute can beat Froch? Sure. And if he believes he can, why shouldn't he?

[brysquared1016]

Fantasy fights don't work for me. This is why I was very happy to hear that Froch/Bute was gonna pop off not once, but twice. If Ward isn't willing to face him right away, than who else is Bute supposed to fight? His fight with Froch would make perfect sense. Bute doesn't have anyone on his resume that is ranked as high as Froch is, period. It's a fight that should happen, because even if he fights and beats Ward, he still can't say he beat Froch. I don't believe in triangle-theories either lol.

Do I think Bute can beat Froch? Sure. And if he believes he can, why shouldn't he?

I don't like/believe in fantasy fights either, every fight is different because of the individual fighting styles and hundreds of other factors. But comparing styles and abilities pre-fight, it seems Bute would have the advantage on Carl Froch. I feel like at this point Bute would love to fight Ward, would settle for Froch, and would probably take Kessler, either Dirrell, or Arthur Abraham if he couldn't get any others. IMO he would be willing to fight any participant from the Super Six, just to prove his ability.

I agree, Froch would be Bute's toughest opponent to date by a long shot, and it should happen, but I was only responding after the original thread poster claimed that the Bute-Froch 2 fight deal wasn't happening because Bute and Ward were negotiating. Either fight would be a huge step up for Bute, but I don't think Ward will want to fight him right away or possibly ever, because there is other potential competition for him when he wants to fight again.

[Born2Live]

make Dirrell vs Bute happen early this year, the matrix whoops him in a 1 sided bout, becomes world champion which sets up Dirrell vs Ward end of the year which is a much better fight then Ward vs Bute.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Bute had an opportunity to engage in the tournament himself but he didnt.

Id rather see Ward-Bute as well but to say Bute has "proven himself" especially more than Froch is wrong (to be kind). Its actually ******ed to suggest that if im being honest.

That's not true. Bute was never invited to participate in the Super Six.


http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...ely-time-being

Bute was clearly one of the top fighters in the division when former Showtime boxing chief Ken Hershman, who masterminded the tournament, declined to invite him to participate. That incorrect decision was a double-whammy for Bute. Not only was he left out of a tournament he obviously belonged in, but with so many of the division's top fighters tied up in the event, Bute's field of attractive opponents became that much smaller.