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  • #61
    @Cuauhtémoc1502 ,

    You cant really say Cotto can never beat Pac because circumstances change. Pac has looked all that great since and Cotto has moved up and redisovered he pre Marg 1 form.
    Yes Pac would be favourite to beat him again but with a tweak of the gameplan form team Cotto I can see him doing better.

    1st time he made the mistake of trying to answer every attack. If he looked at the blueprint laid out by Marquez he woiuld know that timing Pac and outboxing him is the way to beat him. A faded Barrera was able to make Pac look pretty clueless tactcially in the return. I think the catchweight hurt Miguel, not to mention his wars with Clottey and Marg, that combined with the wrong tactics makes it not very surprising he had a bad night.

    On another night Miguel could do much better but just has to stay disciplined. If he starts gettingt into exchanges with the quicker puncher again it will go the same way

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
      If you take the perspective of effectiveness of shots, Cotto was dominated. Like I said, he had his moments in there with Manny but he never was in a position outside of the 2nd round where I felt that he was going to win this fight.

      He was landing some jabs (he has a great jab) and was delivering some shots in spurts but overall, it was Manny in control of the fight.

      There's no reason to want to see him fight Manny again, or Mayweather because that will be worse.

      Sorry, you guys need to think with your head and not your heart.
      You're wrong on this one man.

      I don't want to see Pac-Cotto 2, so I'm not trying to justify a rematch. I just know what I saw, and to say Cotto was dominated after the 2nd is just flat out not true. I've seen the first 5 rounds of that fight a million times(sad I know) and Cotto was very much landing solid, effective punches. In fact, round 3 was by far his best round of the fight.

      Manny was not in full control until the 6th. But Cotto never recovered from the knockdown in the 4th. He came back and won the 5th but you could see how much snap he lost on his punches and it was clear what the end result would be.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
        If you take the perspective of effectiveness of shots, Cotto was dominated. Like I said, he had his moments in there with Manny but he never was in a position outside of the 2nd round where I felt that he was going to win this fight.

        He was landing some jabs (he has a great jab) and was delivering some shots in spurts but overall, it was Manny in control of the fight.

        There's no reason to want to see him fight Manny again, or Mayweather because that will be worse.

        Sorry, you guys need to think with your head and not your heart.
        Im just gonna have to disagree. Sure manny had moments, but wasnt dominating. Cotto had his moments aswell, fought a competetive even round in the 3rd, controlled most to all the fourth until the last moments, and won the fifth. Before the knockdown in the fourth, people didnt know which way the fight was gonna go, as cotto was being effective and controlling.

        All things considered (including poor gameplanning, coaching, poor footwork, no right hand, etc) cotto didnt have a chance, yet was still competetive.

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        • #64
          ^ bro if cotto was competitive with pac, then, the word competitive is being misused here.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by baya View Post
            ^ bro if cotto was competitive with pac, then, the word competitive is being misused here.
            For the first half of the fight he was competetive.

            Brb, cotto winning rounds...and he wasnt competetive...

            obviously cotto got a beating put on him through the course of the night, but no reason to not call it as it is.

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            • #66
              if he were smart he'd try to get the match with floyd. win or lose he'd be richer and if by some crazy chance that he does beat floyd, he can parlay that into a rematch for more money, and if he won that one, he'd sure as hell get another fight with pacquiao for a ****load more.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by PD21 View Post
                @Cuauhtémoc1502 ,

                You cant really say Cotto can never beat Pac because circumstances change. Pac has looked all that great since and Cotto has moved up and redisovered he pre Marg 1 form.
                Yes Pac would be favourite to beat him again but with a tweak of the gameplan form team Cotto I can see him doing better.

                1st time he made the mistake of trying to answer every attack. If he looked at the blueprint laid out by Marquez he woiuld know that timing Pac and outboxing him is the way to beat him. A faded Barrera was able to make Pac look pretty clueless tactcially in the return. I think the catchweight hurt Miguel, not to mention his wars with Clottey and Marg, that combined with the wrong tactics makes it not very surprising he had a bad night.

                On another night Miguel could do much better but just has to stay disciplined. If he starts gettingt into exchanges with the quicker puncher again it will go the same way
                Couple of things...

                #1 - Cotto has NOT returned to his pre fight Marg form, stop saying that. He's looked good vs poor opponents. Yuri foreman, Mayorga and Old broken down Margarito does not mean he's "back in form"

                #2 - The "blue print laid out by Marquez is something I can follow as well but it doesn't mean I can execute it. The reason that JMM gives Pac so much trouble, isn't JUST because of a game plan, it's because of the EXECUTION of it. You act as if counter punching Pac is so simple and easy and a few changes in the gym here and there will make the difference...hahaha

                Cotto doesn't have the SKILLS to beat Pac. Pac is too fast, to powerful and takes a great shot. Cotto is best when he is coming forward, being the bully. Because he countered Marg doesn't mean he can counter Pac, Pac is in another universe of speed.

                And after about the 6th, he was getting a beating. It was one sided.

                Cotto can't beat Pac on his best day and Pac's worst day, sorry. Pac is too much and the style isn't good for Cotto because Cotto can't counter like JMM can. JMM is a MASTER counter puncher, that isn't learned over night or at 31 years of age.

                Originally posted by savorduhflavor View Post
                You're wrong on this one man.

                I don't want to see Pac-Cotto 2, so I'm not trying to justify a rematch. I just know what I saw, and to say Cotto was dominated after the 2nd is just flat out not true. I've seen the first 5 rounds of that fight a million times(sad I know) and Cotto was very much landing solid, effective punches. In fact, round 3 was by far his best round of the fight.

                Manny was not in full control until the 6th. But Cotto never recovered from the knockdown in the 4th. He came back and won the 5th but you could see how much snap he lost on his punches and it was clear what the end result would be.
                Originally posted by akScoundrel View Post
                Im just gonna have to disagree. Sure manny had moments, but wasnt dominating. Cotto had his moments aswell, fought a competetive even round in the 3rd, controlled most to all the fourth until the last moments, and won the fifth. Before the knockdown in the fourth, people didnt know which way the fight was gonna go, as cotto was being effective and controlling.

                All things considered (including poor gameplanning, coaching, poor footwork, no right hand, etc) cotto didnt have a chance, yet was still competetive.
                OK, I have watched the fight like 3 times. Maybe the word DOMINATE wasn't the best because like I said, he landed shots but I will repeat myself again. I never once felt after round 2 that he had a chance in that fight.

                I also don't think it was a question of game plan. Cotto executed the perfect game plan in rounds 1 and 2 but you fail to give Pac any credit for adjusting. It was Pac's speed and countering the jab with the left hand hook that caused Cotto to not want to throw it anymore.

                Sometimes you have to stop making excuses for Cotto and just give Pac his just due. All of a sudden Pac is very beatable because JMM somehow gave the "blueprint" to beat him. Ridiculous, JMM is just that good, Cotto is not.
                Last edited by Cuauhtémoc1520; 01-12-2012, 10:47 AM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
                  Why do you guys have fantasies about Cotto...seriously.

                  Cotto has ZERO chance vs Pac and Mayweather. We saw him vs Pac already and he was knocked out. Mayweather would put such a schooling on him, why would you want to see that.

                  I know some of you love Cotto and everything but he's not the same fighter he once was. The best fights for him and the most exciting for the fans would be vs Chavez Jr. or Canelo or even maybe the winner of Ortiz v Berto.

                  Now all of a sudden Cotto has a good chance vs Mayweather...hahahahaha
                  Bro you should know by now how Cotto clown fanatics are. Cotto beats everyone and his losses have been excuses with plaster and steriods.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
                    Couple of things...

                    #1 - Cotto has NOT returned to his pre fight Marg form, stop saying that. He's looked good vs poor opponents. Yuri foreman, Mayorga and Old broken down Margarito does not mean he's "back in form"

                    #2 - The "blue print laid out by Marquez is something I can follow as well but it doesn't mean I can execute it. The reason that JMM gives Pac so much trouble, isn't JUST because of a game plan, it's because of the EXECUTION of it. You act as if counter punching Pac is so simple and easy and a few changes in the gym here and there will make the difference...hahaha

                    Cotto doesn't have the SKILLS to beat Pac. Pac is too fast, to powerful and takes a great shot. Cotto is best when he is coming forward, being the bully. Because he countered Marg doesn't mean he can counter Pac, Pac is in another universe of speed.

                    And after about the 6th, he was getting a beating. It was one sided.

                    Cotto can't beat Pac on his best day and Pac's worst day, sorry. Pac is too much and the style isn't good for Cotto because Cotto can't counter like JMM can. JMM is a MASTER counter puncher, that isn't learned over night or at 31 years of age.





                    OK, I have watched the fight like 3 times. Maybe the word DOMINATE wasn't the best because like I said, he landed shots but I will repeat myself again. I never once felt after round 2 that he had a chance in that fight.

                    I also don't think it was a question of game plan. Cotto executed the perfect game plan in rounds 1 and 2 but you fail to give Pac any credit for adjusting. It was Pac's speed and countering the jab with the left hand hook that caused Cotto to not want to throw it anymore.

                    Sometimes you have to stop making excuses for Cotto and just give Pac his just due. All of a sudden Pac is very beatable because JMM somehow gave the "blueprint" to beat him. Ridiculous, JMM is just that good, Cotto is not.
                    Not sure if you're addressing that to me, but never once have I said any of that. I don't think Cotto can beat Pacquiao period. I disagree on the gameplan part but I don't think any gameplan is going to help him beat Pac. I agree Pac started countering Cotto's jab with his left and his right hook, I have actually said multiple times it was the most impressive Pacaquiao fight I've seen cause you could actually see him kind of figure Cotto out. It made me realize he was more cerebral than he gets credit for.

                    All I was saying was that I disagreed with you saying the fight wasn't competitive after the 2nd round.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Mr. Fantastic View Post
                      Bro you should know by now how Cotto clown fanatics are. Cotto beats everyone and his losses have been excuses with plaster and steriods.
                      See this is the thing, i like Cotto, always have. Think he's a hell of a fighter but to say he was competitive after round2 or 3 is ridiculous. He had his moments but all you have to do is watch that fight and you will see he was in trouble early on.

                      There was a point in the fight I was begging the ref to stop it because I didn't want to see Cotto get seriously hurt.

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