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    #31
    Originally posted by Barnburner
    I was using it in context of Wlad vs Frazier. Rather than vs Foreman.

    I thought that after I posted. You are right.

    That left hook. Wlad still has some trouble stopping it, and frazier had one of the best.

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      #32
      Originally posted by jreckoning
      I thought that after I posted. You are right.

      That left hook. Wlad still has some trouble stopping it, and frazier had one of the best.
      It's a strange match up. Two polar opposite results that are both very likely to happen.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Barnburner
        I'm not making this **** up believe it or not but, Frazier lost the first round in a lot of bouts. He was a slow starter. One of the reasons Foreman decimated him so easily.

        Before anyone says, Wlad doesn't take enough risks to even contemplate taking the fight to Frazier like Foreman did and pulling a Foreman.
        Wlad wouldn't take the fight to him obviously he would try and control him with his jab as he does everyone, do you think Joe would be able to close the distance soon enough without eating some nasty power shots?

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          #34
          Chuvalo
          Foreman
          Frazier
          Liston
          Shavers
          Holmes
          Oscar
          Quarry

          All beat Wlad

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            #35
            Originally posted by Spray_resistant
            Wlad wouldn't take the fight to him obviously he would try and control him with his jab as he does everyone, do you think Joe would be able to close the distance soon enough without eating some nasty power shots?

            I think he could. Wlad throws bombs but not everything he throws is a bomb.

            When Foreman fought Frazier he was detonating them every three seconds.

            I think Joe could get one in sooner or later.

            He was a lot sneakier than many of Wlad's opponents.

            I just think Frazier's hook would be a big threat to Wlad and maybe he'd pay but he''d get in.

            Wlad isn't gonna go Foreman on him which is what it took to actually dust him.

            Wlad is cautious even when going for the kill and that's the punch he doesn't throw that helps Joe a lot in this one.

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              #36
              did anyone actually see how many left hooks foreman actually ate in that fight? damn he was just walking straight thought them! Wlad wont be able to do the same and yes Frazier is a slow starter, watch his fights, he rarely ever wins the first round. but anyway to the topic Foremanm Liston, Holmes and Frazier beat Wlad

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                #37
                IF wlad got hit with 'Enrys 'ammer like Ali did he wouldn't be getting up.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Spray_resistant
                  Wlad wouldn't take the fight to him obviously he would try and control him with his jab as he does everyone, do you think Joe would be able to close the distance soon enough without eating some nasty power shots?
                  I think he could, Wlads long straight shots coming from far away are ideal for Frazier to slip inside and **** the body and head with vicious hooks. No doubt Frazier will eat a few, you can only dodge so much. There is also only so much Frazier punishment you can take before you crumble and Wlad isn't known for his toughness.

                  If a Frazier stoppages does take place as I think it would. The scorecards would be even at the time of the stoppage with Wlad picking up early rounds and Frazier getting his rhythm coupled with Wlad gassing to be racking in the points by around round 8 onwards.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Barnburner
                    I think he could, Wlads long straight shots coming from far away are ideal for Frazier to slip inside and **** the body and head with vicious hooks. No doubt Frazier will eat a few, you can only dodge so much. There is also only so much Frazier punishment you can take before you crumble and Wlad isn't known for his toughness.

                    If a Frazier stoppages does take place as I think it would. The scorecards would be even at the time of the stoppage with Wlad picking up early rounds and Frazier getting his rhythm coupled with Wlad gassing to be racking in the points by around round 8 onwards.
                    See but I think his toughness is underrated, has he not tried to get up in losses after every kd? Hasn't he come back after 3 bad stoppages losses to become the best in the world?

                    but I do think you are correct in some regards and this whole FF match depends on whether Wlad can find a way to keep distance.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Spray_resistant
                      See but I think his toughness is underrated, has he not tried to get up in losses after every kd? Hasn't he come back after 3 bad stoppages losses to become the best in the world?

                      but I do think you are correct in some regards and this whole FF match depends on whether Wlad can find a way to keep distance.
                      I agree his toughness is under-rated (Fight Night Champion for example.) However people like Frazier and Foreman were a completely different league of tough from Wlad.

                      If it's a series both are losing, put it that way.

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