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  • #21
    by modern standards A+.

    roy has a great resume.. bernard hopkins, james toney, mike mccallum, reggie johnson, virgil hill, montell griffin, eric harding, antonio tarver, thomas tate, clinton woods, jorge castro etc

    the oly ppl who say RJJs resume is anything less than outstanding are mainstream fans who dont follow the sport closely enough to understand how good someone like reggie johnson or even eric harding was. bunch of ppl talking about hopkins and toney being his only truly great wins like mccallum and virgil hill dont exist.
    Last edited by #1Assassin; 01-02-2012, 07:25 AM.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by #1Assassin View Post
      by modern standards A+.

      roy has a great resume.. bernard hopkins, james toney, mike mccallum, reggie johnson, virgil hill, montell griffin, eric harding, antonio tarver, thomas tate, clinton woods, jorge castro etc

      the oly ppl who say RJJs resume is anything less than outstanding are mainstream fans who dont follow the sport closely enough to understand how good someone like reggie johnson or even eric harding was. bunch of ppl talking about hopkins and toney being his only truly great wins like mccallum and virgil hill dont exist.
      So what your saying is that Hopkins and McCallum was in their primes when they fought Jones ?
      McCallum was way past his prime and still took Roy 12 rounds and Hopkins dint hit his prime untill very late in his career !
      Jones has many B- fighters on his resume,he never fought the linear champs in their primes at 168 or 175 or HW ...It cant be over looked that this hurts his legacy/resume regardless of the amount of B level fighters he fought/beat.

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      • #23
        1993 to 2003 was actually pretty amazing

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Mrpedigree View Post
          So what your saying is that Hopkins and McCallum was in their primes when they fought Jones ?
          McCallum was way past his prime and still took Roy 12 rounds and Hopkins dint hit his prime untill very late in his career !
          Jones has many B- fighters on his resume,he never fought the linear champs in their primes at 168 or 175 or HW ...It cant be over looked that this hurts his legacy/resume regardless of the amount of B level fighters he fought/beat.
          If Roy beat George Foreman and Sonny Liston the way he beat James Toney poeople would probably refer to them as B level fighters
          Last edited by roye'l; 01-02-2012, 08:21 AM.

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          • #25
            Very good resume.

            One of the best in the last 20 years, that's for sure.

            A lot of underrated wins on Roy Jones resume that people this day and age downplay.

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            • #26
              Originally posted by #1Assassin View Post
              by modern standards A+.

              roy has a great resume.. bernard hopkins, james toney, mike mccallum, reggie johnson, virgil hill, montell griffin, eric harding, antonio tarver, thomas tate, clinton woods, jorge castro etc

              the oly ppl who say RJJs resume is anything less than outstanding are mainstream fans who dont follow the sport closely enough to understand how good someone like reggie johnson or even eric harding was. bunch of ppl talking about hopkins and toney being his only truly great wins like mccallum and virgil hill dont exist.
              Virgil Hill was a very good win but McCallum at that point was not.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza View Post
                Very good resume.

                One of the best in the last 20 years, that's for sure.

                A lot of underrated wins on Roy Jones resume that people this day and age downplay.
                Agreed. Top 4 resume since 1990 imo.

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by KiloTeague View Post
                  Let me ask this question who has two better wins on there resume than dominating performances over Bernard Hopkins and James Toney.

                  Note:These were not hard fought battles, these were relatively very easy wins against two HOF in there prime?
                  I don't think Bernard was quite in his prime. He wasn't developed completely as a fighter at that point. But it was still a big win for Roy.

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by SCtrojansbaby View Post
                    A+

                    Roy and Ali have the 2 best resumes of the modern era


                    Bernard Hopkins - Obvious ATG and Top 5 MW in history. Almost 20 years after the fact still no one has come close to beating Hopkins the way Roy did.

                    Eric Harding - coming off 2 very good wins against Montell Griffin and Antonio Tarver and most thought his style could give Roy a lot of trouble.... Roy Dominated him

                    Reggie Johnson - Gave James Toney hell and beat ATG Steve Collins. Roy Dominated him

                    Merqui Sosa - Sosa beat Prince Charles Williams twice, beat Glen Johnson and gave James Toney hell. Ring mag rated Sosa as the best chin in boxing... Roy stopped him in 2.

                    Thulani Malinga - Beat Nigel Benn, gave Eubank hell, He was considered to have an ATG chin ate Eubanks and Benns best punches, while Roy KO'd him in spectacular fashion

                    Julio Cesar Gonzalez - 1st guy to beat Dariusz of course Roy Dominated him

                    John Ruiz- Top 5 Heavyweight at the time Roy Dominated him

                    Jorge Vaca - beat #1 WW in the world Lloyd Honeyghan and beat Quincy Taylor twice. Roy KO'd him in the 1st round.

                    Jorge Castro - Roy Dominated him and few years later Castro was considered the best MW in the world.

                    Virgil Hill - Arguable a top 10 LHW of the last 40 years and yes while Virgil Hill was old when Roy made him sportscenter highlight. Virgil Hill proven he was still prime by going up to Cruiserweight and winning a title.

                    Mike McCallum - Obvious ATG but unlike Virgil Hill, McCallum was past his prime but still only a year removed from being a LHW champ. Roy dominated him like no else ever had.

                    Thomas Tate - C level fighter winning is nothing special but what is impressive is Roy KO'd him in 2 rounds. Tate's only KO loss in 50 fights including a fight against Julian Jackson who couldn't KO Tate.

                    James Toney - Another obvious ATG in his absolute prime. Roy moved up in weight and totally dominated.

                    Montell Griffin - 1st round KO over the guy who some fools actually thought gave Roy trouble in their 1st fight.
                    Great breakdown.. people downplay a lot of Jones' wins

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by 4CornersKid View Post
                      This resume will not be as in depth as the Mayweather and Pacquiao ones, but look back for yourself, and you can remember each fighter going into the fight and such.

                      1992: Glenn Thomas (24-0)- W TKO8
                      1993: Bernard Hopkins (22-1)- W UD12 (Won vacant IBF Middleweight title)
                      1994: Thomas Tate (29-2)- W TKO2
                      1995: James Toney (44-0-2)- W UD12 (Won IBF Super Middlweight title)
                      1997: Montel Griffin (26-0)- L DQ 9 (Griffin struck after taking a knee in round 9)
                      1997: Montel Griffin (27-0)- W KO1 (Won WBC Light Heavyweight title)
                      1998: Virgil Hill (43-2)- W KO4
                      1998: Lou Del Valle (27-1)- W UD12 (Won WBA Light Heavyweight title)
                      1998: Otis Grant (31-1)- W TKO10
                      1999: Reggie Johnson (39-5-1)- W UD12 (Won IBF Light Heavyweight title)
                      2000: Eric Harding (19-0-1)- W RTD10
                      2001: Julio Cesar Gonzalez (27-0)- W UD12
                      2002: Glen Kelly (28-0-1)- W KO7
                      2002: Clinton Woods (32-1)- W TKO6
                      2003: John Ruiz (38-4)- W UD12 (Won WBA Heavyweight title)
                      2003: Antonio Tarver (21-1)- W MD12
                      2004: Antonio Tarver (21-2)- L TKO2 (Lost WBC and WBA Light Heavyweight titles)
                      2004: Glen Johnson (40-9-2)- L KO9
                      2005: Antonio Tarver (23-3)- L UD12
                      2008: Felix Trinidad (42-2)- W UD12
                      2008: Joe Calzaghe (45-0)- L UD12
                      2009: Jeff Lacy (25-2)- W RTD10
                      2010: Bernard Hopkins (50-5-1)- L UD12

                      I must say, I love Roy Jones Jr., one of my favorite fighters of all-time, but his resume was not THAT great. He had great wins over prime versions of Hopkins and Toney, but not much byond that. Granted, his divisions were what they were at the time he was fighting and still good. I don't put too much stock into his fights after the 2nd Tarver fight, as he was way past his prime, pretty much the same with Ali after Frazier III, Norton III, and Shavers. Roy's prime was roughly 1993-2001, and he was past his prime still good from 2002-2004. After 2004, Roy was done.

                      I'd give Roy's resume a B, mainly due to the facts that he still had wins over Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, Hill, and Tarver, but not any higher because he had so many fights against guys that were just alright/decent fighters.
                      If Roy had retired after beating Tarver in the first fight, he would be considered top 10 all time. Instead, he hung on well past his prime and those who are newer to boxing can't imagine anything but the shot Rjjr.

                      Prime Roy was the closest thing to a perfect figher as I've ever seen. Past or present.

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