Simple question, did Pacquaio duck Victor Ortiz and Andre Berto in 2011?

[Phenom]

of course Pacquiao didn't even try to unify or fight the clear #3 WW behind him and Floyd

[EMACULATE]

I wouldn't say Ortiz but he deinetlly ducked Berto. Not because berto was trying to get a fight but if Pac is supposedlly fight the best then why would he fight Mosley after Mayweather destroyed him and Mora basically showed how far Mosley had slipped. Not being a ***** but somewhere down the line you have to fight a legit fight. These were jokes if you ask me.

Margarito coming off a Mosley KO
Cotto coming off a tough Clottey win and Margarito plaster aided destruction.
Clottey coming off of a Cotto loss
Hatton coming off of a Floyd loss
Delahoya coming off of a Floyd loss and weight drained

Avoided of all people
Yuri Foreman
Humberto Soto
Juan Guzman
All of the undefeated 140 pounders at the time when he couldnt even make 147. Like I said this is not a PAC bashing thread just an eye opening truth bearing view of the past few years.

[HandSpeed303]

The way some people define ducking yes at least when talking instead of the Mosely fight which mainly applies to Berto. JMM at least was resonable on several levels, and in the end it proved a stiff test so can't get mad at that fight.

If one actually applies reason and some reasonable standard to the term "ducking" then no, they are just fights that could have happened but didn't they are a dime a dozen as you can only fight one man at the time, even if a lesser fight takes place instead. No big deal~

Easily the answer to this topic^^^...

Bold: Word! Really not that serious.

[straightleft]

This has crossed my mind a few times, so I'm bringing it to the table for discussion.

Did Pacquaio duck Andre Berto to fight Shane Mosley instead?

Did Pacquaio duck Victor Ortiz to fight JMM instead?

Simple question(s).

Of course! Pacquiao ducked these two great fighters. So scary!

[4Corners]

Like I said in an earlier post, if Pacquiao fans say Floyd "ducked" Cotto and Margarito, than how did Manny not "duck" Mosley in 2009, Berto in 2010 & early 2011, and Ortiz in 2011???

Pac fought Mosley, only after Shane was dominated by Floyd and fought a draw with SERGIO MORA. That was maybe the worst opponent selction for Pacquiao, besides Clottey and Margarito. People will now look back and say "Hey Pacquiao fought Marquez again, one of the top P4P guys". But, if people only look back a few months ago, Marquez was seen as a crappy choice for an opponent for Manny. The only time Marquez had been at 144 lbs, he was dominated by Floyd, and he was coming off the loss to Floyd and 2 sub-par outings against Diaz and Katsidis. People Marquez NO SHOT, and he still went life and death with Manny a 3rd time. People can't sit back and say "Oh well, Marquez was a great choice", even though he was looked at unanimously as a bad choice going in.

Yes, Berto was largely untested, but he was signed to fight Mosley in early 2010, only the earthquake thing prevented that. Berto stillw ould have been a good choice for an opponent in late 2010/early 2011 for Manny or Floyd. He was unbeaten, in his prime. Certainly, he would have been far better than Margarito and Mosley at those points. And Ortiz, he lost to Maidana in 2009, but was coming off 5 straight wins (1 over Berto )and a draw he should have won over Peterson. Victor Ortiz was a very legit opponent for Floyd or Manny after he beat Berto, how could anyone argue he wasn't??? Certainly, he was a better opponent than a past prime Marquez, at a weight he was whooped at over 2 years ago.

So, if someone says Floyd "ducked" Cotto and Margarito, than how did Manny not "duck" Raheem, Guzman, Mosley in 2009, Berto, and Ortiz??? No one can answer that one. The only answer anyone has is "Berto was overrated anyway, Ortiz ******, etc". Yes, I think Pacquiao would have beaten Berto and Ortiz, but not in the manner he beat Margarito and Mosley. Berto is fast enough, has enough power, he can compeat at least with most all Welterweights, though he doesn't beat Floyd or Manny. Ortiz has enough power, one of the most explosive attacks in boxing, he can compeat with any WW as well, but won't beat Floyd or Manny.

Bottom line, the winner of the Berto-Ortiz II rematch deserves shots at Floyd and Manny, at least Bradley.

Marquez proved to be a tough test, but it shouldn't have been. Marquez was at a weight he was whooped at and deemed horrible at, and was considered past his prime. At least he was coming off wins, but wins where he looked less than stellar (Diaz and Katsidis). Manny's opponent selection has been crap the past 4 fights, though I'll give him a pass on JMM slightly.

Clottey: Hadn't won a fight in 2 years
Margarito: Coming off KO loss to Mosley
Mosley: Coming off loss to Floyd and draw with Mora

Hatton and Cotto were his last decent selections, though they were coming off career losses as well.

[Slip Stream]

This has crossed my mind a few times, so I'm bringing it to the table for discussion.

Did Pacquaio duck Andre Berto to fight Shane Mosley instead?

Did Pacquaio duck Victor Ortiz to fight JMM instead?

Simple question(s).

Simple answer: No.

Previous thought:

When will folks understand fighters don't duck each other, fighters are managed, and more goes into a fight than mere testosterone. A promoter/manager will look at the landscape and dispassionately assess his fighter’s chances against the field and how much money can be made. If the promoter's in it for anything but the money he's a loon and if the fighter's in it for anything more than a payday he's a nut case. It's a cynical assessment of a brutal sport that's powered by cynicism and greed.

How could I say anything less?

[Phenom]

Of course! Pacquiao ducked these two great fighters. So scary!

who was ranked higher Berto or Margarito when Floyd "ducked" him to fight Tata?

[Ringlife]

Pac didn't duck Bob Arum likes to keep it in house thats all.

[Heeb]

I wouldn't say he ducked them, though he did fail to fight legitimate opponents, which Ortiz and Berto would have been at the time.

[ballgamessuck]

Of course he did!!!!!!!!

In fact, Paq was ducking every single fighter on the face of the earth, living and dead, old and young, just so he could pick on the "smaller, over the hill" JMM.