Vitaly and steroids

[BattlingNelson]

1. Agreed.

2. Shoulder injuries.

3. Of course they do. They're only average themselves.

Provide a credible link for shoulder injuries being consistent with PED abuse.

[JAB5239]

Do I have to remind you what you said? You said his comeback was a probable indication of him roiding. I pointed out that others had used other means to shed the ring rust.

Remember now?

No I don't remember, link it please. I don't recall ever saying " his comeback was a probable indication of him roiding."

[JAB5239]

Provide a credible link for shoulder injuries being consistent with PED abuse.

Steroids comprise of a group of compounds that are associated with the hormones - estrogen, cortisol, progesterone and testosterone. They are available either in the form of a tablet or liquid and can be taken orally as well as through injections. Although athletes claim that steroids give a boost to their performance, their use has been tagged 'illegal', mainly due to their long list of negative effects. The only legal use of steroids is during the treatment of anemia and other ailments. If abused, steroids work in a detrimental way, ruining a person physically, emotionally as well as psychologically. In the following lines, we have provided a list of positive and negative effects of steroids.

http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/loun...oids-4397.html

Positive & Negative Effects Of Steroids



Positive Effects
•Increased Muscle Mass / Weight - Steroids increase nitrogen level in the body, thereby producing proteins that help in the production of muscles.
•Reduced Body Fat - Steroids speed up the metabolism of the body, which helps in reducing the accumulated fat.
•Increased Effectiveness Of Training - If you take steroids, the effects of your physical training would be much more prominent.
•Improved Recovery Rate - Steroids produce cortisol, which helps the body handle stress and also speeds up the recovery time.
•Euphoria - A person who takes steroids experiences an ecstatic feeling and is often overjoyed.
•Increased *** Drive - People who intake steroids have been noted to experience an increase in their *** drive.
•Treatment For Disease - Steroids increase the production of red blood cells in the body, thereby treating blood disorders like anemia. They are also helpful in treating arthritis, asthma, brain injury and some types of cancer.

Negative Effects
•Mood Swings - Steroids increase the risk of mood disturbances, including mania and depression.
•Risk Of Psychosis - Steroids increase hallucinations, or delusional beliefs, and make people exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking.
•Aggressiveness - Steroids increases the risk of aggressive acts, during which a person may injure self or others.
•Cardiovascular Diseases - Steroids enhance the risk of cardiovascular diseases, such as heart attack and coronary artery disease.
•Liver Diseases - Steroids distort the liver completely, thereby increasing the risk of liver disease and even cancer.
•Acne - Steroids stimulate the production of oil in the skin, commonly known as sebum, which leads to acne outbreak.
•Bad Breath - Those who take steroids often experience bad breath after intaking them.
•Baldness - It is found that people who take steroids have greater chances of getting bald early.
•Water Retention - Steroids makes the body retain salt and fluids, which leads to an increase in the weight of a person.
•Muscle Cramps - Taking steroids may result in muscle cramps.
•Increased Risk Of Muscle Tears - Steroids enhance the wear and tear in muscles, thereby causing cramps.
•Increased Risk Of Tendon Injuries - Steroid use, if not accompanied with a proportionate increase in strength of the tendons, ligaments and joints, can lead to muscle injuries.•Increased Risk Of Nose Bleeds - Since steroids weaken the immune system, a person becomes prone to nose bleeds.
•Insomnia - Steroids increases the risk of insomnia or forgetfulness in a person.
•Decreased Immune System Effectiveness - Steroids weaken the immune system of a person, making him susceptible to infections.
•Infertility - Steroid use might lead to reproduction problem in men, at times causing infertility as well.
- See more at: http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/loun....5Q3Z5ZE1.dpuf

[BattlingNelson]

So why do you think Jones and Hopkins have been juicing for the better part of their career and not Vits?

I didn't say that but I suspect them for sure.

Jones was caught roiding before a defense against a minor leaguer. It may or may not have been a first. I don't think Jones is on PEDs today.

Hopkins beating p4pers in his midforties is just odd. Su****ious? Sure. Then again it's not unprecedented although PEDs where not available at Archie Moores time. They are today.

[BattlingNelson]

No I don't remember, link it please. I don't recall ever saying " his comeback was a probable indication of him roiding."

Here it is from the previous page:

Why are you so persistent to suggest he hasn't?

And he wasn't always consistent. Coming back after a 4 year layoff with no ring rust is NOT consitent with a 37 year old athlete. It is consistent with someone who MAY be using PED's and does have a history of it.

[JAB5239]

I didn't say that but I suspect them for sure.

Jones was caught roiding before a defense against a minor leaguer. It may or may not have been a first. I don't think Jones is on PEDs today.

Hopkins beating p4pers in his midforties is just odd. Su****ious? Sure. Then again it's not unprecedented although PEDs where not available at Archie Moores time. They are today.

Here is your quote.

They are probably both juicing and has likely been doing it for the better part of their careers. That being said I don't care about this fight. At all. It's a sideshow. Taking away air-time from young fighters.

Here is the link

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...95#post7881995

[JAB5239]

Here it is from the previous page:

Where did I say "probable indication"? Seems like you're trying to put words in my mouth.

[BattlingNelson]

Steroids comprise of a group of compounds that are associated with the hormones - estrogen, cortisol, progesterone and testosterone. They are available either in the form of a tablet or liquid and can be taken orally as well as through injections. Although athletes claim that steroids give a boost to their performance, their use has been tagged 'illegal', mainly due to their long list of negative effects. The only legal use of steroids is during the treatment of anemia and other ailments. If abused, steroids work in a detrimental way, ruining a person physically, emotionally as well as psychologically. In the following lines, we have provided a list of positive and negative effects of steroids.

http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/loun...oids-4397.html

Positive & Negative Effects Of Steroids



Positive Effects
•Increased Muscle Mass / Weight - Steroids increase nitrogen level in the body, thereby producing proteins that help in the production of muscles.
•Reduced Body Fat - Steroids speed up the metabolism of the body, which helps in reducing the accumulated fat.
•Increased Effectiveness Of Training - If you take steroids, the effects of your physical training would be much more prominent.
•Improved Recovery Rate - Steroids produce cortisol, which helps the body handle stress and also speeds up the recovery time.
•Euphoria - A person who takes steroids experiences an ecstatic feeling and is often overjoyed.
•Increased *** Drive - People who intake steroids have been noted to experience an increase in their *** drive.
•Treatment For Disease - Steroids increase the production of red blood cells in the body, thereby treating blood disorders like anemia. They are also helpful in treating arthritis, asthma, brain injury and some types of cancer.

Negative Effects
•Mood Swings - Steroids increase the risk of mood disturbances, including mania and depression.
•Risk Of Psychosis - Steroids increase hallucinations, or delusional beliefs, and make people exhibit personality changes and disorganized thinking.
•Aggressiveness - Steroids increases the risk of aggressive acts, during which a person may injure self or others.
•Cardiovascular Diseases - Steroids enhance the risk of cardiovascular diseases, such as heart attack and coronary artery disease.
•Liver Diseases - Steroids distort the liver completely, thereby increasing the risk of liver disease and even cancer.
•Acne - Steroids stimulate the production of oil in the skin, commonly known as sebum, which leads to acne outbreak.
•Bad Breath - Those who take steroids often experience bad breath after intaking them.
•Baldness - It is found that people who take steroids have greater chances of getting bald early.
•Water Retention - Steroids makes the body retain salt and fluids, which leads to an increase in the weight of a person.
•Muscle Cramps - Taking steroids may result in muscle cramps.
•Increased Risk Of Muscle Tears - Steroids enhance the wear and tear in muscles, thereby causing cramps.
•Increased Risk Of Tendon Injuries - Steroid use, if not accompanied with a proportionate increase in strength of the tendons, ligaments and joints, can lead to muscle injuries.•Increased Risk Of Nose Bleeds - Since steroids weaken the immune system, a person becomes prone to nose bleeds.
•Insomnia - Steroids increases the risk of insomnia or forgetfulness in a person.
•Decreased Immune System Effectiveness - Steroids weaken the immune system of a person, making him susceptible to infections.
•Infertility - Steroid use might lead to reproduction problem in men, at times causing infertility as well.
- See more at: http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/loun....5Q3Z5ZE1.dpuf

Will not do. I doesn't say that shoulderinjuries is consistent with roiding.

Come on. It's ridiculous. It's just not possible to have a type of injury and from that being able to conclude that it's likely caused by PED abuse.

Please stop this crap.

[BattlingNelson]

Here is your quote.

They are probably both juicing and has likely been doing it for the better part of their careers. That being said I don't care about this fight. At all. It's a sideshow. Taking away air-time from young fighters.

Here is the link

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...95#post7881995

Yeah. I thought you meant in this thread.

Sure they are suspected.

[BattlingNelson]

Where did I say "probable indication"? Seems like you're trying to put words in my mouth.

Read it again. It seems to me my rephrasement is consistent with what you wrote. At least it's very close and close enough in my opinion as a non native english speaker.