When was the last time Floyd fought a real threat?

[straightleft]

This post has so much irony its not even funny. The guy in your avi just fought Marquez this past November and LOST in many peoples eyes yet you want to criticize the guy that easily handled Marquez? If Oscar was shot to **** than Mosley was practically a dead man when Pacquiao fought him. Oscar was younger than Floyd is now and had control over all of the fight stipulations. The bias you guys have is insane.

You have to put some facts here and there for us to understand it clearly.

First, Pacquiao fought Marquez twice in his best weight division (featherweight and super featherweight) while Floyd lured lightweight Marquez to come at his best weight division by promising he will fight him at 144 as leveling field. Instead, Floyd disregard the weight agreement he signed when he came 2 lbs overweight and just paid the weight penalty. Marquez was more ready to fight at 144 against Pacquiao than when he was against Floyd. In Oscar fight, you have to consider Pac jumped 3 weight classes to face Oscar at 147. Maybe you will be happy if Pac fought Oscar at 154 or at 160 would be much better, right?

[bojangles1987]

Even with Mayweather being 34 and inactive, I didn't view Ortiz as a threat.

Which I guess shows you how little I think of the young crop of talent (Ortiz, Berto, Khan) relative to the Mayweathers and Pacquiaos of the world. Ortiz is a good fighter in a poor era, while Mayweather is an ATG.

Going into their fights, I saw Mosley, DLH, Hatton, hell even Judah, as more genuine threats than Ortiz.

I agree, and I've been laughed at by many for saying the Mosley that Floyd fought was better than Ortiz. I considered Sugar Shane far more of a threat to Floyd than Ortiz was.

[RuMbLe]

Hatton, De La Hoya, Mosley were seen as threats by most casuals and experts alike.

Thing is he fought Hatton at 147 which was not his best division, and Oscar and Mosley were old and coming off long periods of inactivity. So he leaves it so they can easily be discredited.

The last real prime threat where Floyd was up against it was Castillo in his first fight at LW.

It's no coincidence Floyd went on to seek a path of lesser resisitance after he was done with the Castillo rematch, culminating with the 3years of posturing over the Pacquiao fight and also not seeking fights with the most established champs like Cotto, Margarito, Paul Williams at 147, Tszyu and Hatton at 140. Could've also fought Winky at 154, but demanded a rehydration clause to drain him, which Winky declined.

[bdevils]

You have to put some facts here and there for us to understand it clearly.

First, Pacquiao fought Marquez twice in his best weight division (featherweight and super featherweight) while Floyd lured lightweight Marquez to come at his best weight division by promising he will fight him at 144 as leveling field. Instead, Floyd disregard the weight agreement he signed when he came 2 lbs overweight and just paid the weight penalty. Marquez was more ready to fight at 144 against Pacquiao than when he was against Floyd. In Oscar fight, you have to consider Pac jumped 3 weight classes to face Oscar at 147. Maybe you will be happy if Pac fought Oscar at 154 or at 160 would be much better, right?

Floyd went to 154 and gave in to every demand...Oscar went down to 147 where he looked like an aids patient and where he hasn't fought in what a decade to fight Pac...Take that in consideration!

[RuMbLe]

Floyd went to 154 and gave in to every demand...Oscar went down to 147 where he looked like an aids patient and where he hasn't fought in what a decade to fight Pac...Take that in consideration!

Pac went up THREE divisions that year to fight DLH (regardless of Oscar stuffing up his preparation, that's on him, how many other fighters have done that?).

FLoyd went up 1 division to fight Oscar after establishing himself for a couple years at welter.

It's easy to see which was the bigger risk.

[ADP02]

No bias just stating the facts. obviously you did not read the post I was replying too. How can a guy say Oscar at 34 was shot and act like Mosley at 39 was fresh? How can you say Marquez was too small to compete at welterweight in 2009 then turn around and act like he was prime at that weight in 2011? Bias is how.

If you were not bias you would have stated history slightly different.


Marquez: (You said Manny struggled while Floyd handled Marquez easily.)
- Floyd didn't come in at the originally agreed weight. Giving Floyd the extra advantage that he already had (in size).
- Marquez was in uncharted territory when he faced a Floyd that was WW while Manny fought Marquez twice at Marquez's best weight and for the third fight the difference was minimal. No size difference for all 3 fights.
- Marquez came in fit and better prepared against Manny. Against Floyd, people said he was flabby and looked small compared to Floyd.
- Manny people criticized Floyd for taking on the small Marquez ... Floyd countered by saying .... oh, you know that I fought a #2 p4P.

You are showing bias by giving the impression that Floyd fought and beat the same Marquez that Manny fought three times. Not even close!!!


Oscar:
- Oscar was a part time fighter by the time Floyd fought him. He was more of a promoter than boxer.
- Before Mayorga, from 2003 to 2006, Oscar had only won 1 fight and it was controversial where many people thought he lost it. So it's not like Oscar was on fire prior to Floyd.
- Was the Oscar Floyd fought a prime Oscar?
- Floyd needed those last rounds to beat Oscar while Manny never lost a round against Oscar.
- Oscar's trainer said when fighting Floyd, Oscar can't pull the trigger no more.

Your bias in that you see the faults in Oscar when he faced Manny but you don't state them when he faced Floyd. Also, you don't state that Floyd had a close fight with an out of prime Oscar NOT against a primed Oscar.


Mosley:
- Again, you say that Mosley was old for Manny but what about against Floyd? It was only 1 year earlier. Right?
- Floyd himself said BEFORE the fight, my game plan will take into consideration that Mosley is OLD!!! So was FLoyd wrong?
- Floyd fought a fighter that was inactive for almost 1.5 years. That is not good for someone who is approaching 39.
- Mosley may have been burnt out as his old body went thru 2 straight training camps prior to the Floyd fight.
- Mosley was active but 1 year older against Manny ... but it was hard to give Mosley any rounds against Manny but there was 1 round where Mosley had Floyd in big trouble.


You are bias because if you were not you would realize that all those faults Mosley had prior to fighting Floyd pretty much negates Manny fighting Mosley 1 year later. They BOTH fought a Mosley that was a shell of himself!

[SplitSecond]

maybe the majority dont consider floyd opposition as "real threats" because they are comparing to his arch rival in pacquiao, in that case i'd agree, floyd has yet to fight/beat a prime HOF, nevermind a prime ATG

otherwise he's fought plenty of threats, atleast the hyped i.e ortiz etc

[SoulByThePound]

Liar! Pac fought a younger Marquez TWICE in his own 2 best weight division (featherweight and super featherweight). The first fight, the corrupt judge saved him from a lost and the second it can go either way. Floyd came overweight and enjoyed a 15-20 lbs advantage over Marquez during the fight.

when has FMW ever come in at 160 lol

[PAC-BOY]

does baby momma count?

[Mr. Philadel]

He sucker punched Ortiz who lost to a bum Maidana.
He came overweight to beat a lightweight Marquez.
He fought a 1 year and 3 months rusty over trained Mosley.
He fought a light welterweight to his best division welterweight.
Oscar?
Baldomir?
Judah?
Mitchell?
Gatti?
Bruseless?
Corley?
Ndou?
Sosa?

LMAO!