Comments Thread For: DiBella: Mayweather Interested in Martinez if No Pacquiao

[jrosales13]

That fact he made the fight at a cw weight for dude title is more BS in itself. Especially when he fought Hoya at 147.

Man I can wait for Floyd and manny to get this **** over. I'm tired of talking about these 2.

So what that he fought Oscar at 147? It doesn't take away from the legitimacy of the Cotto fight. Not even the slightest.

JCC-Whitaker for the WW title at a catch-weight of 145 wasn't BS. The only BS in that fight was the scorecard afterwards not the catch-weight.

oscar fought Sturm at 160 and then fought B-Hop at a 158 catch-weight....The fight might have been a "fix" but the catch-weight wasn't BS.

I understand catch-weights being BS when it actually affects one fighter negatively so much so that it changes the outcome. But, I don't agree that it affected Cotto at all to the point where the outcome would have change.

So again I don't see how it was wrong.

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Both Marg and Cotto are two different situations...Yes Marg BS....Now because the Cotto fight was for a title...It makes it wrong? Just because? OK.

Come on man, get real.

A catch-weight for a title fight ?

That is PU55Y-B1TCH RUBBISH !!

Back under the original divisional system many fighters achieved traditional greatness by fighting as the smaller man.

Demanding a catch-weight with the explicit intent of disadvantaging your opponent on the scales, just because you happen to be the money side of the equation, is nothing but an act of cowardice..... and cannot be viewed in context of greatness.

Read this article.....

Pacquiao Admits Catch-Weight Is Crucial To Outcome With Cotto
http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ome-with-cotto

Pacquiao even tried to drain Cotto down to 143.....

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275865

That is pu55y-b1tch rubbish, Pacquiao should be ashamed of himself.

I could never support rubbish like that.

You guys all want to regard Manny is great, but then you do not think that he should be required to achieve the same standards that truly great fighters have aspired to.

That is pu55y-b1tch rubbish right there.

Martinez is right, Pacquiao is a P4P Pu55y !!

[LA_2_Vegas]

wonder if the mayweather fans that ***** about Pac's catchweights will ***** about this one.

154 is it's own WEIGHTCLASS, not a catchweight.

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Os

Oscar and Morales were the only two weighed drained guys that Pac fought.

There was nothing wrong with the Cotto fight.

Marg fight was BS on all levels.

Other than that, you might have made a great point. But, honestly I don't know why you wrote so much about Floyd. I don't really care. I'm not dissing Floyd. Floyd can fight Martinez at any weight he want's I couldn't careless on what weight they fight.

But, they're not even fighting anyways so it's irrelevant.

My post is just about the comment how the Pac-Cotto fight was just plain wrong.

The Cotto fight was only slightly less disgusting than the Margarito fight.

Jro, if you ask me for a list detailing what was wrong with the Margarito fight, I will never show you even the slightest respect ever again.

The Cotto fight was disgusting.....

When Pacquiao fought Cotto, Miguel had just been destroyed by Margarito and then battered by Clottey. EVERY reputable trainer/reporter/analyst said that Cotto looked shop-worn and well-faded, and that he had been in too many wars.

Cotto was not on top of his game, he had begun to slide, he had no trainer to speak of, and was struggling with problems both in camp and at home relating to a family matter that affected his relationship with head trainer Evan Cotto.

Miguel was not on top of his game, and he most certainly was not in his prime..... plus, Pacquiao tried to drain him on the scales.

Listen to this reporter's take on the subject, shortly after the Clottey fight....

"I wasn’t exactly shocked to see Manny Pacquiao’s name being linked for a fight with Miguel Cotto after the Puerto Rican fighters disappointing performance last Saturday night against Joshua Clottey. As bad as Cotto looked in the fight, and believe me Cotto looked pretty awful, it seemed like a no brainer that Pacquiao would then select him as his next opponent.

But my question is why isn’t Pacquiao going after Shane Mosley or Paul Williams instead? Why the emphasis at fighting Cotto, when he was destroyed by Antonio Margarito last year? It seems to me the much better choice for Pacquiao would be to go after Mosley, since he beat Margarito a few months ago by a 9th round TKO.

Since Margarito has already stopped Cotto, the logical choice for Pacquiao to fight would be Mosley. That’s the bout that Pacquiao should be going after unless he wants to be considered a cherry picker."

Pacquiao saw that Cotto was ripe, so he jumped on him, but even the fact that Cotto had faded was not enough of an advantage for Manny..... so he demanded a catch-weight of 145lbs.

A catch-weight, for a title fight..... *** me, that is lame

Cotto of course, flatly refused. Miguel stated "147 if you want my title, but no-title if you need a catchweight". Of course, Pac demanded a catchweight and the title, it became a sticking point to get the fight made, so Cotto was forced to concede.

But even that was not enough for Manny, he demanded 143, even though his trainer Freddie Roach agreed to 144. Luckily for Miguel he stuck to his guns, or those cherry-picking ****s would have dragged him down to 143lbs.....
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/275865

Catch-weights.....

There are only two reasons to demand a catch-weight.....

1.) you are not good enough to compete with your opponent at his natural weight

2.) you are attempting to drain your opponent to gain an unfair advantage

Pacquiao tried to drain Cotto, because Manny had already fought at 147.

The 143lb demand was an absolute joke, they really tried to do a number on Cotto. Just because the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

This article PROVES that Pac tried to disadvantage Cotto on the scales.
http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ome-with-cotto

You regard yourself as a bit of a history buff Jro, so it baffles me why you are not utterly disgusted with the cowardly, cherry-picking, manipulative, bull****, displayed by Team Pacquiao pertaining to the Cotto/Margarito fights.

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It should also be noted that Sergio has looked the better the past 2-3 years than he EVER has. Sergio is a rare case, a guy that's in his mid-30's and looking like he's at his peak. If Floyd fights Sergio at 154-155, no bulls**t excuses to discredit that if Floyd beat him. Sergio is #3 P4P, looking better than he ever has, coming off wins.

As you pointed out, physical age is irrelevant.

It is about being on top of your game, and that is different for everyone.

FACT: Team Pacquiao have not fought an opponent who is on top of his game since Marquez in 2008, and we all saw what happened there.

Manny has CHOSEN to not fight the best version of the guys that he has faced..... a catch-weight for an already damaged Cotto..... ducking Marquez until he was old..... ducking Mosley until it was obvious that he was shot..... ducking every JMW on the planet to fight a welterweight bum for a title at 154...... and the list goes on.

Pacquiao is a hypejob, plain and simple.

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So what that he fought Oscar at 147? It doesn't take away from the legitimacy of the Cotto fight. Not even the slightest.

JCC-Whitaker for the WW title at a catch-weight of 145 wasn't BS. The only BS in that fight was the scorecard afterwards not the catch-weight.

oscar fought Sturm at 160 and then fought B-Hop at a 158 catch-weight....The fight might have been a "fix" but the catch-weight wasn't BS.

I understand catch-weights being BS when it actually affects one fighter negatively so much so that it changes the outcome. But, I don't agree that it affected Cotto at all to the point where the outcome would have change.

So again I don't see how it was wrong.

Give yourself an uppercut, and go stand in the corner.

1.) your " opinion " on whether the weight affected Cotto is irrelevant, because you wouldnt have a clue

2.) it was an OBVIOUS attempt to disadvantage Cotto, so get real...
Pacquiao Admits Catch-Weight Is Crucial To Outcome With Cotto
http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/...ome-with-cotto

3.) why the *** would a supposed P4P fighter attempt to win on the scales ?

It is hilarious that you think Manny's catch-weight manipulations are irrelevant, and yet Pac views those same manipulations as "crucial".

Again..... for a supposed history buff, you are showing your ignorance.

[tennishero]

if mayweather wont step upto the plate with manny then martinez is the next best fighter

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if mayweather wont step upto the plate with manny then martinez is the next best fighter

Stick to tennis you clown.

[ThePrince]

I LOVE the fact that you trash Floyd for not fighting Sergio, even though he and his handlers have been talking to Lou about a possible fight, but give Manny a pass when he said point blank that he'd fight Martienz at 150, to which Sergio agreed, and than said he would only fight him at 147 lbs. I mean, it's laughable to be honest.

Like I have said from day one when people were talking Martinez vs. Floyd or Manny, if Floyd and Manny never fight Sergio, they shouldn't be blamed. Sergio is two weight classes above them. Instead, Sergio should be blamed for not fighting Andre Ward, who's only one weight class above him, and who said he'd meet Sergio in the middle at 164 lbs.

But, if you are going to trash Floyd for not fighting Sergio, you better crucify Manny for saying it's all good at 150, but than nope...only at 147, basically indicating "No way no how will I ever fight Sergio".

I don't think Floyd and Sergio ever fight, but if Floyd fought and beat Sergio at 154 lbs, what would you say prince??? No doubt you'd have an excuse to trash Floyd again.

What?

Where did I 'trash Floyd for not fighting Sergio'? If anything, I trashed Dibella and Sergio for talking **** with the sole purpose of keeping Sergio's name in the paper. Lou says Sergio might fight Floyd on May 5th (after months ago saying Sergio-Macklin on St. Patty's day in NYC was a done deal) and then Sergio himself in his latest Pac attack said he's fighting March 17 and he hopes he can fight Floyd later next year, presumably in the fall.

The only person who Floyd would possibly fight outside of Golden Boy's stable is Manny, and that's not happening. Has nothing to do with 'he's scared' 'ducking and dodging' yadda yadda yadda, just purely business. Like I've been saying all along, look for Floyd to fight a Mexican from Golden Boy's stable next. We'll know in a few weeks which particular one it is.

[Bushbaby]

I refuse to believe that Floyd would fight Martinez until I shell out 80 bucks to watch that **** on my big screan in high def. Cause let me say, I haven't bought a ppv since Pacman-Cotto, but I'll buy this one for sure.