Originally posted by Cupocity303
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Were the past greats really that great!?
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bluetech View Postexactly.
they fought the pace of their fights strategically to go 15 rounds.
I can post literally dozens and dozens of fights from the past with fighter going at a non stop pace for 15 rounds if anyone would like.
There is no denying it, modern athletes are bigger, stronger, faster, and better.
No, I've already refuted this with facts. Try again.
Track & field is a good barometer. Just look at how fast the athletes are getting clocked at now. Usain Bolt's times were humanly impossible during jesse owens days.
There is no denying Athletic Evolution.
I've just put it to rest unless you can argue anything I've posted in this thread isn't a fact.
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Originally posted by -Kev- View PostNo baseball player, even with all their PED's, will break Ty Cobb's hit record, not anytime soon.
Hell, Barry Bonds needed steroids to break Babe Ruth's homerun record, and Hank Aaron's record. Ruth was playing in huge parks back then.
Numbers don't lie, and that's why I love baseball, all the proof is there, that the baseball players of the golden era were much better than the one's from now.
Yeah, the science[PED's] of now makes them come a bit close to the golden era players.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostTS, watch this video and it will show you EXACTLY why technique has not improved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4
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Originally posted by Cupocity303 View PostIt's just nostalgia talking. They automatically assume that those guys are better because the conditions/environment in those times was tougher, therefore bred better fighters than today's pampered athletes with the better nutrition, less fights per year, less rounds etc,.
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Originally posted by shadeyfizzle View PostThe olden fighters fightin up to a dozen times a year and the coddling of fighters today ive always believed to be irrelevant in the big picture.
Olden fighters fought more but didnt fight contenders any more frequently than modern fighters. Sugar ray robinson for example closing in on 100fights was still fighting guys with 2-15 records up to 4x a year. It would be considered an unnecessary formality today because techniques can be sharpened in training camp regardless.
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Originally posted by Bluetech View Posta boxer with no fight footage cannot compete with a boxer who has fight footage in terms of greatness and ranking.
If you are compiling/analyzing greatness and ranking etc. and both fighters are great; you cannot put above a great boxer with no fight footage higher than a fighter with fight footage.
News paper decision be damned.
Harry Greb. No footage of him, but plenty if film of the greats he didn't just beat, but dominated. Are we going to just say it didn't happen because YOU didn't see it?
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Originally posted by shadeyfizzle View PostThe olden fighters fightin up to a dozen times a year and the coddling of fighters today ive always believed to be irrelevant in the big picture.
Olden fighters fought more but didnt fight contenders any more frequently than modern fighters. Sugar ray robinson for example closing in on 100fights was still fighting guys with 2-15 records up to 4x a year. It would be considered an unnecessary formality today because techniques can be sharpened in training camp regardless.
The point is they were staying sharp by constantly fighting different opponents, styles etc. No, they didn't always fight the top contenders, but more often tough experienced pugs. Don't let boxrec fool you, many of thise records you see on there for a 2-14 fighter are incomplete. You can as Historian and boxrec editor Henry Hascup who posts on here under "hhascup" for confirmation.
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Originally posted by edgarg View PostRobinon used to make these fights to keep sharp,and as he said on he T V Boxing talk show that he, Fullmer Graziano and LaMotta. had, he often had to fight 20 rounds, 10 for his opponent and 10 for himself. They all laughed and agreed that they had done the same often. It was called carrying a fighter to make an evenings entertainment for the fans.
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Originally posted by shadeyfizzle View PostYou keep associating floyd with old school. Im curious what exactly does floyd do in common with golden era fighters that absolutely noone else today does???
He didn't even get that prominence until he beat Corrales, which, for anyone who knows the background of that fight, was an out and out fraud, a disgusting advantage taken of a fellow fighters awful misforunes.
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