Vitali Klitschko ALL TIME Boxing Records

[jimmy1569]

I wanna put to rest all the boll**** competition resume fairytales of the forum once & for all & show them just how much of Vitali's dominance of his opposition is of his own accord & HAS nothing whatsoever to do with who HIS opposition was. I'll do his brother who's had 14 more fights just for fun & see how he stacks up against Lewis.. I'm using Lewis as the springboard because he's the one often compared to the Brother's who's seen in a much better light due to the opposition he's beaten.

[jimmy1569]

So far i've got completed LL 4 UNDEFEATED FIGHTERS.... 6 KO PROOF FIGHTERS & AT LEAST 3 RETIRED FIGHTERS (INCLUDING HIMSELF JUST SO I CAN HELP HIM OUT A BIT & YOU SEE I'M NOT BIASED)

LL BEAT 4 UNDEFEATED FIGHTERS (2 NEVER LOST AGAIN)
VK BEAT 6 UNDEFEATED FIGHTERS (2 NEVER LOST AGAIN)

LL KO'ED 6 KO PROOF FIGHTERS (2 NEVER GOT STOPPED AGAIN)
VK KO'ED 9 KO PROOF FIGHTERS (6 NEVER GOT STOPPED AGAIN)

LL RETIRED 3 FIGHTERS (4 IF YOU INCLUDE HIMSELF BUT SINCE I LISTED IT FOR VITALI.. i'm not going to take it from Vitali's total & add it to Lewis's total)
VK RETIRED 6 FIGHTERS

11 OF 45 OPPONENTS WERE EITHER NEVER KO'ED AGAIN.. NEVER DEFEATED AGAIN OR NEVER FOUGHT AGAIN FOR VITALI

5 OF 44 OPPONENTS WERE EITHER NEVER KO'ED AGAIN.. NEVER DEFEATED OR NEVER FOUGHT AGAIN..... NOW I'M NOT GOING TO include MCCALL FROM LL'S TOTAL AS technically he should have 6 but since Mccall ALSO knocked LL the phock out & plus the fact LL IS the only one to stop Mccall in the most asterisked of fashions,, it's a wash.... Final tally Vitali has done to 11 various opponents what no one has EVER done to them before or after facing them & LL has done it only 5 times.. THE FORMULA IS VERY SIMPLE.. ONLY PERSON TO EVER KO THE OPPOSITION.. ONLY PERSON TO DEFEAT OPPOSITION... & THE LAST PERSON THEY FOUGHT WAS YOU.. nO NAMES were used twice if they came up on all 3 criterias.. this is JUST about differing opposition & different names.



How many DIFFERENT FIGHTERS did you own the exclusive rights to.. States here Vitali put his stamp on 11 & Lewis 5.. WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSE TO PROVE IS NOT NECESSARILY QUALITY OF OPPOSITION AS THAT WILL ALWAYS BE OPINION related.. It's supposed to prove how much of a fighter's dominance is of his own doing & not who he's faced.. at least for 11 fights 1/4 of Vitali's comp... you can't state that he feasted on competition someone else was able to destroy because he's the ONLY one responsible for that opponents destruction..... kapish!

[jimmy1569]

Btw.. common opponents 3-0 3 ko's LL 3-0 SHOULD have been 3 ko's VK
One opponent they both ko'ed in the 1st rd
Another opponent Vitali ko'ed him in about 2 rds took LL 9 or 10 rds
& ofcourse there's Briggs & we don't need to get into that as it's been discussed to death what each fighter did against different versions of him.

[Joeyzagz]

The holding towards the end was Vitali manhandling LL from throwing a follow up shot.. he completely took him from one end of the ring towards the other (no shame in that,,

Vitali's pitiful hold was a sign of submission and ultimately lost him the fight. He wasnt even boxing in those final moments. He was a bleeding mess that devolved into a clinching sloth.

Look at my signature and you will see what the docs saw . The hopeless despair in his eyes...Im not saying he wanted to quit but it definitely crossed his mind.

[Joeyzagz]

So far i've got completed LL 4 UNDEFEATED FIGHTERS.... 6 KO PROOF FIGHTERS & AT LEAST 3 RETIRED FIGHTERS (INCLUDING HIMSELF JUST SO I CAN HELP HIM OUT A BIT & YOU SEE I'M NOT BIASED)

LL BEAT 4 UNDEFEATED FIGHTERS (2 NEVER LOST AGAIN)
VK BEAT 6 UNDEFEATED FIGHTERS (2 NEVER LOST AGAIN)

Undefeated means nothing if youve never held a major title. Tony Tucker alone is better than every unbeaten fighter Vitali/Lennox faced.

Lennox: Beat 10 title holders

Vitali: Beat 4 title holders

[jimmy1569]

Wladimir Klitschko 59 opponents faced
7 undefeated fighters
8 retired fighters
A whopping 17 first time KO victims

itll take me too long to figure out his final score as it took me this much time to just look over 59 opponents.. safe to say.. probably close to 20....

We'll just use the simple formula of just adding up all 3 criterias & divide it by number of fights fought..

WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO = 32 OF 59 = 54.2%

VITALI KLITSCHKO = 21 OF 45 = 46.7%

LENNOX LEWIS = 13 OF 44 = 29.5%

WE HAVE TO DEDUCT ONE FOR WLAD & LENNOX BECAUSE THEY GOT KO'ED by the same fighter who's on the list BUT THEN AGAIN LL technically ko'ed vitali so that's all a wash.

[jimmy1569]

Vitali's pitiful hold was a sign of submission and ultimately lost him the fight. He wasnt even boxing in those final moments. He was a bleeding mess that devolved into a clinching sloth.

Look at my signature and you will see what the docs saw . The hopeless despair in his eyes...Im not saying he wanted to quit but it definitely crossed his mind.

Vitali threw & landed more shots than Lewis in the final 3 minutes of the bout.. He was the one who bullied LL to the ropes to begin with before LL cheapshotted him while they were tied up there in the final 10 to 15 second stanza..... the doctor.. should've seen how Vitali was manhandling him jabbing him with ease straight to the ropes & then tieing him up .. physically taking him from one end of the ring to the next... giving LENNOX several freebies right at the buzzer & LL was throwing pitty pats that Vitali was deflecting.. looking amateurish with every wild swing & about to be the first champion to fall on his stool & then given a W for it because of physical cosmetic appearance.. it was a cowardly doctor who stopped the fight while Vitali was receiving instructions for the next rd... WHERE was the doc or ref when both were fighting in the ring & Vitali was defending & offending LENNOX lewis.. THIS was a last ditch effort so Lewis could keep his belt as he was the more popular champion at the time.

[jimmy1569]

Undefeated means nothing if youve never held a major title. Tony Tucker alone is better than every unbeaten fighter Vitali/Lennox faced.

Lennox: Beat 10 title holders

Vitali: Beat 4 title holders

He beat Vitali for his best win.. didn't he? Vitali wasn't wearing no belt & was practically undefeated... Titles don't necessarily make the man especially when fragmented pieces are to be found as long as you're in the right place at the right time..... records DON'T make the man either... but beating someone who's never been beaten tells you something about the fighter who's doing the beating... You guys say Wlad & Vitali have never faced the stiff competition that Lewis had & .. what my work was supposed to show is that they indeed have faced just as difficult a task as Lennox.. esp Wlad who has who;'s list of names & quality opponents.. 17 fighters were Ko ******* until they met up with him... that's nothing to sneeze at.. LIKE i said bottom line both LL & vk have faced the same record of opposition 82% winning pct.. so they have had the same odds to beat there opposition.. I've showed that Vitali has beaten & or dominated and retired more of those fighters that never had that happen to them before they met up with Vitali.. WHILE LL's more better foes have more of a been there done that feel by opposing fighters who've fought them.

[Joeyzagz]

He beat Vitali for his best win.. didn't he? Vitali wasn't wearing no belt & was practically undefeated... Titles don't necessarily make the man especially when fragmented pieces are to be found as long as you're in the right place at the right time..... records DON'T make the man either... but beating someone who's never been beaten tells you something about the fighter who's doing the beating... You guys say Wlad & Vitali have never faced the stiff competition that Lewis had & .. what my work was supposed to show is that they indeed have faced just as difficult a task as Lennox.. esp Wlad who has who;'s list of names & quality opponents.. 17 fighters were Ko ******* until they met up with him... that's nothing to sneeze at.. LIKE i said bottom line both LL & vk have faced the same record of opposition 82% winning pct.. so they have had the same odds to beat there opposition.. I've showed that Vitali has beaten & or dominated and retired more of those fighters that never had that happen to them before they met up with Vitali.. WHILE LL's more better foes have more of a been there done that feel by opposing fighters who've fought them.

Using your own criteria, Corrie Sanders comes off as a sh.t win for Vitali because...

Sanders was not undefeated
Sanders was KOd twice previously
Sanders did not retire after facing Vitali

Using YOUR criteriaEd Mahone was a better quality win, just for being unKOd and undefeated. You put too much weight in hollow numbers.

If you use My system(HW Title holders) it produces a more realistic list of Vitali's best wins.

*Sanders
*Peter
*Hide

Make the poll if you honestly think Timo Hoffman and Ed Mahone should hold more weight than the names above.

[jimmy1569]

Using your own criteria, Corrie Sanders comes off as a sh.t win for Vitali because...

Sanders was not undefeated
Sanders was KOd twice previously
Sanders did not retire after facing Vitali

Using YOUR criteriaEd Mahone was a better quality win, just for being unKOd and undefeated. You put too much weight in hollow numbers.

If you use My system(HW Title holders) it produces a more realistic list of Vitali's best wins.

*Sanders
*Peter
*Hide

Make the poll if you honestly think Timo Hoffman and Ed Mahone should hold more weight than the names above.

Every fighter & every opponent is different regardless of belts.. I didn't say the ones he retired.. ko'ed or took away there zeros were more significant than other wins on his resume.. i just stated how he was the ONLY one to ever dominate that opponent or at the very least the first one to dominate..... the KEY here is when you're the ONLY one to ever do to that opponent what nobody else could before or after you faced that opponent... with the brothers.. they have retired 13.5% of there ENTIRE opposition..


THE other 86.5% LIVED to fight another day.. you get my point here & that is that Vitali's overall numbers in itself are unprecedented but i'm showing the forum that NOT only has he been the ONLY one to post these numbers overall... 25% of his work.. hundreds of quality fighters. (even some fighters Lewis ..Holmes.. holyfield.. Wlad foreman.. tyson bowe ALL had cracks at these fighters & performed worse & weren't able to dominate THE exact same fighter the way Vitali has..


I'm showing the BOARD the very proof that when Vitali has faced the same exact comp as other former greats.. he's performed better... i'm showing you how absurd your lack of comp theory is by taking all the common opponents he did face.. if opposition is such an important of resume & Vitali is being penalized.. i could take the ENTIRE common opponents all the perceived greats in front of him faced.. put them in a jar & I guarantee you Vitali will have dominated the SAME exact comp more thoroghly...


Now.. obviously different versions of the same comp comes into play as one fights a prime version while the other fights a faded version of the same fighter.. let's just say it all evens out... Now you might say that's only 3 or 4 common opponents for each fighter.. but if we took every alltime greats commons it would add up to one whole normal career. a round robbin of common opponents so to speak.. I bet you Vitali would come out on top of e veryone in such a tournament of common opponents & this would essentially KILL the lack of comp noise because we're pitting all the greats against the same exact opposition>>> kapish!

Oh & Sanders comes out as an awesome win.. it was done in the very next fight Sanders fought after ko'ing an alltime great in 1.5 rds. That's what i'm talking about JoeC... THAT'S ****king resume... i'm using the VERY criteria that you guys always bring up to diminish Vitali & showing you how he did face the same comp & he did better against them for the most part.. & the fact that his numbers overall are dominant.. there's no place but to put him at #1 on the alltime heavyweight list.