The Joe Copper Effect

[D4thincarnation]

Hatton wins on points HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....... great laugh. The ref kept separating Floyd-Hatton because Floyd knew how to tie up and consequently neutralize Hatton's inside game, without the separation we would've saw a wrestling match basically. But hey keep living that fantasy.

Khan pushed Peterson a ridiculous amount.. even when it had nothing to do with Peterson coming in with his head he pushed him away. If Khan had an inside game this controversy would not occur.

Butthurt clueless British fan.

Yes that is what Floyd was doing, it also an infringement. Cooper would have takens some points off, plus you have the forearm choking and the eblow push off.

When Khan tried to tie Peterson up, he would tell Khan to let go and then tell them to fight out, this would have favoured Hatton when he fought Floyd.

[Mike Haynes]

Last weekend's fight between Peterson and Khan saw point deductions for pushing, something that is very rare in boxing, and something I don't think I have seen before.

Cooper warned Peterson a few times for coming in with his head, but no point deduction ever looked likely.

Khan's pushing was an infringement but a very minor one and was in response to Peterson coming in with his head. Khan also held Peterson's head down in clinches, another infringement but also one that goes largely unpunished in boxing.

If Cortez or almost any other ref was the referee for this fight, Khan would have not had any points deducted and would have been much more protected from Peterson's head in his face, and would have won the fight by a comfortable margin.

So it got me thinking that if Cooper was the reffing some of the past big fights would the result have changed.

First up,

Wlad vs Haye, Wlad held Haye's head down on the inside and done this numerous time to stop Haye working on this inside. Cooper would not have stood for this, point deductions for Wlad, possible DQ or Haye gets the KO.

Then we have Hatton vs Mayweather. Floyd foreman choked, repeatedly held and pushed of using his forearm, stopping Hatton from working on the inside. A lot more infringements than Khan, could we expect to see, point deductions off Mayweather thus allowing Hatton to fight to his game plan. Hatton wins on points, or Floyd gets DQ.

Should Cooper's stance on reffing be the way forward?

He didn't warn him for coming in with his head.....he told him to keep his head up in response to Khan's whining. I believe this is why he didn't penalize Khan for holding his head. Khan's pushing was more like offensive pass interference in American football - you can't fully extend your arms when pushing to create space. As for the other fights, I think they would have been WAAAAAAY more exciting if Joe Cooper was the ref, but I think Vlad would have KO'd Haye and Floyd would have decisioned Hatton in a surprisingly entertaining war.

It's funny you choose Khan, Klitschko and Mayweather because I always felt that these 3 would never respond well to trading shots back and forth.

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Seems like the TS is a brit whos fanny is a little hurt his countrymen choke in big fights. Stop making excuses.

[D4thincarnation]

He didn't warn him for coming in with his head.....he told him to keep his head up in response to Khan's whining. I believe this is why he didn't penalize Khan for holding his head. Khan's pushing was more like offensive pass interference in American football - you can't fully extend your arms when pushing to create space. As for the other fights, I think they would have been WAAAAAAY more exciting if Joe Cooper was the ref, but I think Vlad would have KO'd Haye and Floyd would have decisioned Hatton in a surprisingly entertaining war.

It's funny you choose Khan, Klitschko and Mayweather because I always felt that these 3 would never respond well to trading shots back and forth.

Khan, Mayweather, and Wlad, all spoiled on the inside in those fights.

Cooper was also telling Peterson to keep his head up as early as the first round, nothing to do with Khan whining.

The two fights would have definitely been more entertaining, because the ref's in those fights allowed spoiling infringements.

Floyd does have an inside game, but was it good enough to stop Hatton, if so why did he decide to spoil and tie up Hatton on the inside.

Wlad, I would say doesn't, and Haye could have had the better of Wlad on the inside.

[D4thincarnation]

Seems like the TS is a brit whos fanny is a little hurt his countrymen choke in big fights. Stop making excuses.

So you don't think the choice of referee matters to the outcome of certain fights?

[Vadrigar.]

Last weekend's fight between Peterson and Khan saw point deductions for pushing, something that is very rare in boxing, and something I don't think I han before.

Is it illegal?

[D4thincarnation]

Is it illegal?

Against the law?

[Vadrigar.]

Against the law?

The rule book

[D4thincarnation]

The rule book

I thought I made it clear that it was an infringement, the point is how different referee's deal with them.

Wrestling, use of forearm, elbow, holding, all infringements, but one ref might give warnings then deduct points, others might allow the fighter to continue using those infringements with minimal or no punishment.

[waxfondler]

honestly, although i dont mind pushing off... khan was a bit too obvious. i feel that khan couldve easily rotated around and used his footwork to get out of trouble instead of shoving.... in many ways, khan was using the shove as a crutch, which i didnt like.

even floyd keeps the elbow shoves to a minimum (at least to the point of not getting points deducted).

khan shouldve done what cotto did with margs.