Floyd's style

[beatnutts]

I got chewed out by some Floyd fans by saying he twists and turns. They say it’s a misconception but it really isn't. Of course he makes adjustments when he fights. If he needs to faint more or if he decides he has to jab more then he will do it. If he thinks throwing more or less lead rights will work then he'll do it. But what I am talking about is his defensive style. He primarily uses the shoulder roll and deflects punches by twisting and turning and what i said was accurate. It’s the exact same thing James Toney does. Both guys are flatfooted fighters that use the same defensive technique.

Thing is, I'm a Floyd fan and i think he does make the adjustments but I try not to suck Floyd's **** like some of you Floyd fans.

[Check_hooks]

A prime James Toney was better than any version of floyd jr ever. Toney had better offense, better defense, more power, better chin, better heart.

James Toney also doesn't get on his bike like floyd

[bMak]

I got chewed out by some Floyd fans by saying he twists and turns. They say it’s a misconception but it really isn't. Of course he makes adjustments when he fights. If he needs to faint more or if he decides he has to jab more then he will do it. If he thinks throwing more or less lead rights will work then he'll do it. But what I am talking about is his defensive style. He primarily uses the shoulder roll and deflects punches by twisting and turning and what i said was accurate. It’s the exact same thing James Toney does. Both guys are flatfooted fighters that use the same defensive technique.

Thing is, I'm a Floyd fan and i think he does make the adjustments but I try not to suck Floyd's **** like some of you Floyd fans.

That philly-sell/shoulder-roll is the only thing Floyd and Toney have in common. Per weight class, Toney probably has more power too. But where Toney is strictly flat-footed, Floyd is much more versatile. He can box on his toes, laterally, or off the back-foot. James Toney doesn't have the feet or the legs to do that at this point, and never really did. Floyd's advantage is his athleticism and explosion.

[GrandpaBernard]

I got chewed out by some Floyd fans by saying he twists and turns. They say it’s a misconception but it really isn't. Of course he makes adjustments when he fights. If he needs to faint more or if he decides he has to jab more then he will do it. If he thinks throwing more or less lead rights will work then he'll do it. But what I am talking about is his defensive style. He primarily uses the shoulder roll and deflects punches by twisting and turning and what i said was accurate. It’s the exact same thing James Toney does. Both guys are flatfooted fighters that use the same defensive technique.

Thing is, I'm a Floyd fan and i think he does make the adjustments but I try not to suck Floyd's **** like some of you Floyd fans.

he started fighting like this when he could afford to due to how good he became at the shoulder roll

it's not like Floyd doesn't know how to box on his toes, he did it for years before going up in weight

[beatnutts]

There is no doubt that Floyd is more versatile and if he needs to use his legs, he will. But in his early years, he not only used the shoulder roll but was swifter on his feet. In his early years, instead of just standing there and blocking the punches and doing the shoulder roll, he completely avoided all punches with reflexes. The only reason why i say this is because i think its easier for him to get caught with that one punch that could really hurt him. Look at the Mosley fight and him getting caught fighting Judah. And yeah, yeah i know he dominated after that but he never got caught like that when he used his legs in his early years. Thats my main point.

[GrandpaBernard]

There is no doubt that Floyd is more versatile and if he needs to use his legs, he will. But in his early years, he not only used the shoulder roll but was swifter on his feet. In his early years, instead of just standing there and blocking the punches and doing the shoulder roll, he completely avoided all punches with reflexes. The only reason why i say this is because i think its easier for him to get caught with that one punch that could really hurt him. Look at the Mosley fight and him getting caught fighting Judah. And yeah, yeah i know he dominated after that but he never got caught like that when he used his legs in his early years. Thats my main point.

1) he's not as swift on his legs now because he's grown into a man. people speed goes down with age

2) isn't it actually better that he uses the shoulder roll guard now over relying heavily on reflexes? reflexes tend to dull with age

3) Floyd is much more economical now due to how shoulder roll happy he is

4) I think Shane was going to catch Floyd with that big looping right even if it was younger and faster Floyd. Shane set it up nice with that jab feint, and Floyd didn't see it. Your speed and reflexes help you get out of the way if you see it. Floyd didn't see that one and was hurt by it.

[beatnutts]

1) he's not as swift on his legs now because he's grown into a man. people speed goes down with age

2) isn't it actually better that he uses the shoulder roll guard now over relying heavily on reflexes? reflexes tend to dull with age

3) Floyd is much more economical now due to how shoulder roll happy he is

4) I think Shane was going to catch Floyd with that big looping right even if it was younger and faster Floyd. Shane set it up nice with that jab feint, and Floyd didn't see it. Your speed and reflexes help you get out of the way if you see it. Floyd didn't see that one and was hurt by it.

What you said was right but i still think he relies too much on the shoulder roll and I would like to see him use more lateral movement. You're right about him being more economical and that definitely is a big reason his stamina is so high.

[GrandpaBernard]

What you said was right but i still think he relies too much on the shoulder roll and I would like to see him use more lateral movement. You're right about him being more economical and that definitely is a big reason his stamina is so high.

I see what you mean. Use more lateral movement like Hopkins and Marquez.

I think Floyd's alternative to lateral movement to prevent attacks is to clinch instead. He's very good at clinching.

[Jcsuper]

Floyd's defense is more a cross-arm defense.

Toney used a philly shell defense.

Not exactly the same thing but ****** always mix it up.

[GrandpaBernard]

Floyd's defense is more a cross-arm defense.

Toney used a philly shell defense.

Not exactly the same thing but ****** always mix it up.

I'm confused what's the difference?