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  • #11
    Originally posted by 4CornersKid View Post
    Two divisions in each part of the bracket, just like NCAA Tourny, single elimination. I went with the top 20 seeds by Cox's Corner seeding, I didn't like the ESPN rankings, and I didn't want to be bias in my seeding. The last 12, I seeded myself, so yeah.

    Tell me who wins and play out the tournament, and if you want to, which match up you'd look forward to the most for each round, however it plays out for you. Each fighter is in their absolute prime, so not the Ali version that fought Frazier 3 times and Foreman, Ali from 1964-1967.

    Bracket 1:
    (1) Joe Louis vs. (16) John Ruiz
    (8) Sam Langford vs. (9) James J. Corbett

    (5) Mike Tyson vs. (12) Wladimir Klitschko
    (4) Jim Jeffries vs. (13) Ken Norton

    (6) Joe Frazier vs. (11) Vitali Klitschko
    (3) Larry Holmes vs. (14) Michael Moorer

    (7) Evander Holyfield vs. (10) Max Schmeling
    (2) George Foreman vs. (15) Chris Byrd

    Bracket 2:
    (1) Muhammad Ali vs. (16) David Haye
    (8) Gene Tunney vs. (9) Ezzard Charles

    (5) Lennox Lewis vs. (12) Billy Conn
    (4) Sonny Liston vs. (13) Max Baer

    (6) Rocky Marciano vs. (11) Floyd Patterson
    (3) Jack Dempsey vs. (14) Ernie Terrell

    (7) Rid**** Bowe vs. (10) Joe Walcott
    (2) Jack Johnson vs. (15) Ingemar Johansson
    Round 1:
    Louis vs. Ruiz.....Louis.
    Langford vs. Corbett.....Langford.

    Tyson vs. W. Klitschko.....Tyson.
    Jeffries vs. Norton.....Norton.

    Frazier vs. V. Klitschko.....V. Klitschko.
    Holmes vs. Moorer.....Holmes.

    Holyfield vs. Schmeling.....Holyfield.
    Foreman vs. Byrd.....Foreman.

    Ali vs. Haye.....Ali.
    Tunney vs. Charles.....Charles.

    Lewis vs. Conn.....Lewis.
    Liston vs. Baer.....Liston.

    Marciano vs. Patterson.....Marciano.
    Dempsey vs. Terrell.....Dempsey.

    Bowe vs. Walcott.....Bowe.
    Johnson vs. Johansson.....Johnson.

    Most anticipated fight for RD 1: Liston-Baer or Tyson-W. Klitschko.
    Most action packed fight for RD 1: Frazier-V. Klitschko or Liston-Baer.


    Round 2:
    Louis vs. Langford.....Louis.
    Tyson vs. Norton.....Tyson.

    Holmes vs. V. Klitschko.....Holmes. (Controversial decision).
    Foreman vs. Holyfield.....Foreman.

    Ali vs. Charles.....Ali.
    Liston vs. Lewis.....Lewis.

    Dempsey vs. Marciano.....Dempsey.
    Johnson vs. Bowe.....Johnson. (Controversial decision).

    Most anticipated fight for RD 2: Holmes-V. Klitschko or Liston-Lewis.
    Most action packed fight for RD 2: Dempsey-Marciano.


    Round 3:
    Louis vs. Tyson.....Tyson by KO in 6.
    Louis had no problem trading with ANYONE, which would be his downfall against Tyson. Tysonw as argubaly one of the biggest punchers in boxing history, but Tyson mainly had trouble with guys that boxed from the outside....something Joe didn't do.

    Foreman vs. Holmes.....Foreman by a close SD.
    Foreman would come forward all night, with Larry boxing from the outside. I don't see Holmes trying to do anything on the inside, and would probably hit the canvas once in the fight, but he would seem to out-box Geroge throughout some rounds. Close fight, the knockdown of Holmes, winning a close Split-Decision for Foreman.

    Ali vs. Lewis.....Ali by a close UD.
    I really think of all the heavyweights, Lennox would have given a prime Ali (1964-1967) the most trouble. It would be a battle of jabs like another poster said, with Ali's superior speed playing a big factor. Ali would be able to take Lennox's power shots as well, having a great chin. Ali wins a close by UD.

    Johnson vs. Dempsey.....Johnson by a close MD.
    Johnsonw as one fo the most skilled fighters on his era, where as Dempsey just kept coming. It would be a great style matchup, but the crafty Johnson prevails bny a close decision. Dempsey would rough Jack up some rounds, winning rounds on his punch out put alone, but not enough to beat Johnson.

    Most anticipated fight for RD 3: Ali-Lewis or Foreman-Holmes.
    Most action packed fight for RD 3: Louis-Tyson.


    Round 4:
    Foreman vs. Tyson.....Foreman by KO in 7.
    Can you imagine a prime George Foreman in the 70's against a prime Tyson of the 80's??? What a showdown. Something would have to give, and I think Tyson would give to big Geroge. George had a much bigger frame than Mike, and I just think he'd win the slugfest, but this would be an ATG great, something for the ages.

    Ali vs. Johnson.....Ali by UD.
    Another sort of chess matchup for Ali, where I just see his superiority in speed, something he was superior to everyone, taking over the fight. Johnsonw as a good puncher, not great like Louis-Tyson-Foreman-Liston, and Ali would have to make sure not to get caught like he did against Cooper in 63', but I just see Ali out-boxing Johnson, another boxer.

    Most anticipated fight and action packed fight for RD 4: Foreman-Tyson.
    Round 5 Championship:
    Ali vs. Foreman.....Ali by UD.
    They already fought once when George was in his prime, but Ali was 32, past his prime-still good. Ali in his prime would dance all day, and George would have a much tougher time cutting off the ring, and Ali would NOT lay on the ropes and rope-a-dope Foreman. Foreman may catch Ali with a couple big shots, but for the majority of the fight, I see Ali out maneuvering Geroge for most rounds.

    I have Muhammad Ali, in his prime, beating any heavyweight. I think Lennox Lewis, Jack Johnson, Evander Holyfield would have given a prime Ali the most trouble.
    Last edited by 4Corners; 12-08-2011, 03:20 PM.

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    • #12
      Props to 4cornerskid!

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      • #13
        Originally posted by 4CornersKid View Post
        Two divisions in each part of the bracket, just like NCAA Tourny, single elimination. I went with the top 20 seeds by Cox's Corner seeding, I didn't like the ESPN rankings, and I didn't want to be bias in my seeding. The last 12, I seeded myself, so yeah.

        Tell me who wins and play out the tournament, and if you want to, which match up you'd look forward to the most for each round, however it plays out for you. Each fighter is in their absolute prime, so not the Ali version that fought Frazier 3 times and Foreman, Ali from 1964-1967.

        Bracket 1:
        (1) Joe Louis vs. (16) John Ruiz
        (8) Sam Langford vs. (9) James J. Corbett

        (5) Mike Tyson vs. (12) Wladimir Klitschko
        (4) Jim Jeffries vs. (13) Ken Norton

        (6) Joe Frazier vs. (11) Vitali Klitschko
        (3) Larry Holmes vs. (14) Michael Moorer

        (7) Evander Holyfield vs. (10) Max Schmeling
        (2) George Foreman vs. (15) Chris Byrd

        Bracket 2:
        (1) Muhammad Ali vs. (16) David Haye
        (8) Gene Tunney vs. (9) Ezzard Charles

        (5) Lennox Lewis vs. (12) Billy Conn
        (4) Sonny Liston vs. (13) Max Baer

        (6) Rocky Marciano vs. (11) Floyd Patterson
        (3) Jack Dempsey vs. (14) Ernie Terrell

        (7) Rid**** Bowe vs. (10) Joe Walcott
        (2) Jack Johnson vs. (15) Ingemar Johansson
        Bracket 1:
        Joe Louis vs Sam Langford
        Wladimir Klitschko vs Ken Norton

        Vitali Klitschko vs Larry Holmes
        Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman

        Bracket 2:
        Muhammad Ali vs Gene Tunney
        Lennox Lewis vs Sonny Liston

        Floyd Patterson vs Jack Dempsey
        Rid**** Bowe vs Jack Johnson

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        • #14
          Originally posted by raskat View Post
          Bracket 1:
          Joe Louis vs Sam Langford
          Wladimir Klitschko vs Ken Norton

          Vitali Klitschko vs Larry Holmes
          Evander Holyfield vs George Foreman

          Bracket 2:
          Muhammad Ali vs Gene Tunney
          Lennox Lewis vs Sonny Liston

          Floyd Patterson vs Jack Dempsey
          Rid**** Bowe vs Jack Johnson
          Bracket 1:
          Joe Louis vs Wladimir Klitschko

          Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

          Bracket 2:
          Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis

          Floyd Patterson vs Rid**** Bowe

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          • #15
            Originally posted by raskat View Post
            Bracket 1:
            Joe Louis vs Wladimir Klitschko

            Vitali Klitschko vs Evander Holyfield

            Bracket 2:
            Muhammad Ali vs Lennox Lewis

            Floyd Patterson vs Rid**** Bowe
            Bracket 1:
            Wladimir Klitschko vs Vitali Klitschko

            Bracket 2:
            Muhammad Ali vs Rid**** Bowe

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            • #16
              Originally posted by raskat View Post
              Bracket 1:
              Wladimir Klitschko vs Vitali Klitschko

              Bracket 2:
              Muhammad Ali vs Rid**** Bowe
              Finale:
              Vitali Klitschko vs Muhammad Ali

              I don't know who would win that one. Actually I wasn't even sure if Ali would really beat Lennox Lewis in the Quarterfinals

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              • #17
                Originally posted by 4CornersKid View Post

                I have Muhammad Ali, in his prime, beating any heavyweight. I think Lennox Lewis, Jack Johnson, Evander Holyfield would have given a prime Ali the most trouble.
                Prime Ali vs. Prime Lennox
                and
                Prime Ali vs. Prime Tyson

                Are too close to call for me, IMHO.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Casual_Fan View Post
                  Prime Ali vs. Prime Lennox
                  and
                  Prime Ali vs. Prime Tyson

                  Are too close to call for me, IMHO.
                  Agreed. Even Lennox could bounce a little bit. All of their styles are really polished as well, those are some great heavyweights.

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by Casual_Fan View Post
                    Prime Ali vs. Prime Lennox
                    and
                    Prime Ali vs. Prime Tyson

                    Are too close to call for me, IMHO.
                    Agree. I just can't see Tyson beating Ali, both in their prime. Yes, Ali would have to dance all day and all night, and avoid Iron Mike. Tyson owuld probably catch him early, but Tyson would get frustrated after 5-6 rounds of not being able to control Ali and just kill him, where as Tyson controlled almost everyone he ever fought when he was still good.

                    I would pick Ali by UD, maybe even a late TKO stoppage.

                    To me, Sonny Liston was the 1960's version of Mike Tyson. Both had similar weight and build, similar styles, and Ali ha dperhaps one of his greatest nights ever in 64' against Liston. Granted, I think Mike would KO Sonny, but both were really similar. People seem to forget just how good and ominating Sonny Liston was in his career. He was being talked about as perhaps the greatest Heavyweight ever going into his fight with Ali.

                    But, Ali-Tyson may be the most interesting fight for me.

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                    • #20
                      funny how the guy who made the thread put Wlad vs Tyson in the first round just so he could say no way would Wlad beat Tyson.
                      I tell you something: Tyson has only a small chance against either Klitschko.
                      the 4 top guys in this tournament are those who have both sick size and sick skills. and that would be Wlad, vitali, Lennox Lewis and Ali. (Ali being the only one without sick size, but he is still big)

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