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Thanks for saying what I didn't feel like typing.Bro, i wasnt gonna reply but i thought i should , for your sake.
I watched that video. If u made it, nice work and nice song.
The points the video addresses:
1) You know Floyd isnt going to use that Orthodox shell defense against Manny. Did you see the tweeked shell defense he use against Vic? He ducks/slips to his right avoiding straight lefts/left hooks and uses his elbow to block rights. But it isnt all about shell defense. Theres a lot more, control of distance etc
2) The clip you showed of manny and marquez wasnt a counter. It was based on manny timing marquez and beating him to the punch because manny timed it very well and they have the same arm length. Its not a counter punch per say bro.
If u wanna see manny countering jabs watch the margarito fight. Its a beautiful example of manny following the game plan and countering margaritos jab. Hold on il show u:
^ its the manny vs tony fight ( sorry i dont know how embedding is done )
Forward to 10.10 and u can see manny just hovering inside/outside of tonys jabbing range. Why so?
Note that any time tony got a little too close manny shot his straight lefts and moved or shot his straight lefts to the body to keep tony back.
He did that because they ( roach/manny ) wanted to exploit tonys epically slow jab and footspeed. Manny is much faster.
The onslaught starts at 11.05 . Manny baits Tony to throw the jab by staying in jab range and the starts countering with a right-left-right, sometimes hitting a straight left to the body of tony. Towards the last minute of that round manny really starts putting a little bit of a beating on tony with this countering.
I believe it continued up until round 10 before his corner made adjustments or manny abandoned it. Who knows. Hats off to roach for the game plan, limiting and exploiting margarito ( slow jab, slow foot speed ) and using mannys tools well ( fast hand speed, fast footspeed ).
This is a reason why floyd is very dangerous to them ( manny/roach ). Floyd has very fast hands and very fast footspeed. On top of that he has a 5 inch reach advantages over manny and to top it off even more floyd mayweather jr's timing is impeccable. He will sit and wait and time you like stealth assassin. very dangerous.
Manny will have an extremley hard time countering floyds jab. very hard.
3) The video showed Floyd shooting a straight right to the body of zab judah, not a jab as said in the video bro. I dont know if you noticed it but floyd fainted a jab to the head first , then went to the body. Kinda makes it more difficult. i agree with the counter right hook thing though.
What that clip doesnt show is the full story. floyd went for that right to the body by feinting with the left, then shootin the right two times already ( once in round 1, twice in round 2 ) and zab caught him the 3rd time. Floyd stopped immediatly the right to the body immediatly that round.
He made a slight adjustment the next round by shooting the right to the body and then leaning in to zab after to tie him up/clinch and avoid the counter.
Watch the fight bro. Its there for you to see, thats if you want to
U cant compare marquez to floyd in the clip. Marquez in the clip slipped
mannys straight left to the inside and got caught with mannys right hook .
Then in the 2nd clip marquez threw a jab at mannys head and got caught with a counter right hook by manny. You are showing totally different things brother
4) This is just blatant hate bro. I wont even go there dude. Its a shame really that you think that was the only reason why floyd performed the way he did against marquez. You say floyd didnt have the power to scare marquez? wasnt there a knockdown in the fight dude?
Also, Floyd didnt use much movement either. He stood infront of marquez. And Manny is always the aggressor ( even in your clip hes walking juan down ) because manny loves to exchange.
Bro just stop your hating . It aint right.
5) Come on dude. Is this even worth an answer bro?
6) Same with this. is this worth an answer? The clips you showed of vic and floyd were the ones where floyd was using bait-jabs to get vic to come in and catch him with short rights. Dude come on. If you cannot see that then i am just going to say u should watch more closely dude.
You have understand that vic was also 14lbs heavier. Manny wont have that weight advantage man. Come on, be real.
7) We agree on something. If floyd just "shells up" as u put it, he will have a lot of trouble because manny can really let his hands go if he is given the chance. But floyd doesnt just "shell up" as people think. He high elbow blocks, head controls or clinches/ties up.
Manny is ridiculously easy to clinch/tie up. He was clinched and tied up repeatedly by Shane Mosely , a lot too. Floyd is very very good at tieing up and clinching his opponents when they get too close, or push their heads/shoulders or straight up head control and clinching when he needs to. If manny gets close, expect clinch city from floyd and the ref seperating them alot.
Honestly dude Roach will have to come up with elite game plan to beat floyd and manny would have to fight perfectly to beat him.
Mayweather jr is a very gifted and talented fighter. Stop your hate and witness his art.
I dont really care how he is outside the ring and i agree he can be obnoxious or what ever.
Inside the ring he is smart and his art is so wonderful to watch.Comment
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This video is not too accurate...especially the power reference...turning pac has nothing to do with power...it's to move away from his straight shot...turn pac like that and he has to play catch up to adjust...then the fact they used the reference of zab judah...at the time just as fast and much more accurate than pacquaio with much more boxing ability...but they could only show the first 4 rounds because we all knew how Floyd adjusted and what he did to Judah after...then the Ortiz fight...maybe they weren't observing...but Ortiz was getting punched in those exchanges, only thing is that he outweighs pac by damn near 30lbs so it's not likely he'd go anywhere...Comment
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one thing u forgot floyd doesnt have to fight one style.he has the ability to fight any style.left uppercut right hand works wonders on manny every time he finish punching.Comment
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Floyd doesnt have aggresive counter punching like Marquez does,
this weakness will not be enough to keep Pac off of him,
plus he likes to go on shell mode, which will allow pac to sneak in his straight leftComment
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I love how the diehards are trying to say JMM is a better boxer and counter puncher than Floyd...are you trying to convince us or yourselves?Comment
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best post ever on BSBro, i wasnt gonna reply but i thought i should , for your sake.
I watched that video. If u made it, nice work and nice song.
The points the video addresses:
1) You know Floyd isnt going to use that Orthodox shell defense against Manny. Did you see the tweeked shell defense he use against Vic? He ducks/slips to his right avoiding straight lefts/left hooks and uses his elbow to block rights. But it isnt all about shell defense. Theres a lot more, control of distance etc
2) The clip you showed of manny and marquez wasnt a counter. It was based on manny timing marquez and beating him to the punch because manny timed it very well and they have the same arm length. Its not a counter punch per say bro.
If u wanna see manny countering jabs watch the margarito fight. Its a beautiful example of manny following the game plan and countering margaritos jab. Hold on il show u:
^ its the manny vs tony fight ( sorry i dont know how embedding is done )
Forward to 10.10 and u can see manny just hovering inside/outside of tonys jabbing range. Why so?
Note that any time tony got a little too close manny shot his straight lefts and moved or shot his straight lefts to the body to keep tony back.
He did that because they ( roach/manny ) wanted to exploit tonys epically slow jab and footspeed. Manny is much faster.
The onslaught starts at 11.05 . Manny baits Tony to throw the jab by staying in jab range and the starts countering with a right-left-right, sometimes hitting a straight left to the body of tony. Towards the last minute of that round manny really starts putting a little bit of a beating on tony with this countering.
I believe it continued up until round 10 before his corner made adjustments or manny abandoned it. Who knows. Hats off to roach for the game plan, limiting and exploiting margarito ( slow jab, slow foot speed ) and using mannys tools well ( fast hand speed, fast footspeed ).
This is a reason why floyd is very dangerous to them ( manny/roach ). Floyd has very fast hands and very fast footspeed. On top of that he has a 5 inch reach advantages over manny and to top it off even more floyd mayweather jr's timing is impeccable. He will sit and wait and time you like stealth assassin. very dangerous.
Manny will have an extremley hard time countering floyds jab. very hard.
3) The video showed Floyd shooting a straight right to the body of zab judah, not a jab as said in the video bro. I dont know if you noticed it but floyd fainted a jab to the head first , then went to the body. Kinda makes it more difficult. i agree with the counter right hook thing though.
What that clip doesnt show is the full story. floyd went for that right to the body by feinting with the left, then shootin the right two times already ( once in round 1, twice in round 2 ) and zab caught him the 3rd time. Floyd stopped immediatly the right to the body immediatly that round.
He made a slight adjustment the next round by shooting the right to the body and then leaning in to zab after to tie him up/clinch and avoid the counter.
Watch the fight bro. Its there for you to see, thats if you want to
U cant compare marquez to floyd in the clip. Marquez in the clip slipped
mannys straight left to the inside and got caught with mannys right hook .
Then in the 2nd clip marquez threw a jab at mannys head and got caught with a counter right hook by manny. You are showing totally different things brother
4) This is just blatant hate bro. I wont even go there dude. Its a shame really that you think that was the only reason why floyd performed the way he did against marquez. You say floyd didnt have the power to scare marquez? wasnt there a knockdown in the fight dude?
Also, Floyd didnt use much movement either. He stood infront of marquez. And Manny is always the aggressor ( even in your clip hes walking juan down ) because manny loves to exchange.
Bro just stop your hating . It aint right.
5) Come on dude. Is this even worth an answer bro?
6) Same with this. is this worth an answer? The clips you showed of vic and floyd were the ones where floyd was using bait-jabs to get vic to come in and catch him with short rights. Dude come on. If you cannot see that then i am just going to say u should watch more closely dude.
You have understand that vic was also 14lbs heavier. Manny wont have that weight advantage man. Come on, be real.
7) We agree on something. If floyd just "shells up" as u put it, he will have a lot of trouble because manny can really let his hands go if he is given the chance. But floyd doesnt just "shell up" as people think. He high elbow blocks, head controls or clinches/ties up.
Manny is ridiculously easy to clinch/tie up. He was clinched and tied up repeatedly by Shane Mosely , a lot too. Floyd is very very good at tieing up and clinching his opponents when they get too close, or push their heads/shoulders or straight up head control and clinching when he needs to. If manny gets close, expect clinch city from floyd and the ref seperating them alot.
Honestly dude Roach will have to come up with elite game plan to beat floyd and manny would have to fight perfectly to beat him.
Mayweather jr is a very gifted and talented fighter. Stop your hate and witness his art.
I dont really care how he is outside the ring and i agree he can be obnoxious or what ever.
Inside the ring he is smart and his art is so wonderful to watch.Comment
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