My thoughts on how to beat Floyd Mayweather

[americanbot]

Chavez was fading fast by the time of the Randall fight. and sparring means absolutely nothing, or else I would have brought up Spadafora beating up on Mayweather in sparring. Its really pointless.
Not to mention that Randall and Mayweather dont fight alike whatsoever.

and even though Mayweather clearly won the Castillo rematch, theres no doubt that he was not comfortable in there, and it was one of the stylistically tougher fights of his career. Chavez was superior to Castillo in pretty much every way, and particularly in the ways that would matter(cutting off the ring, body punching and opening up the guard with precision punching).

you mentioned castilo being a sparring partner for chavez (which is kinda ****** because everyone sparred with each other @ some point or the other in that era) BTW if you knew anything you would know that chavez & castillio barely sparred. & chavez was way past faded when the 2 did meet..........yea randall doesn't fight like mayweather. in realty Castillo doesn't fight like chavez, the only similarity is the pressure. mayweather is light years better then randall (even when he was a teen)

my point is chavez had problems with movement & counter punching.......i thought the sweet p fight was a blow out not a draw........chavez also got discouraged when he couldn't catch his opponent (& taking in counters for his efforts) i see a clear UD in mayweathers favor..........believe it or not i don't even think it would be all that close.

[Steak]

Chavez probably beats that version of Floyd, but at 140 where Floyd was at his absolute peak, I'd say Floyd beats him. Floyd was still new to the LW division and Castillo was a huge LW, physically he was a lot stronger at 140 and more so right now.

Personally I believe Floyd was at his best at 130 and 135, and not much different if at all at 140...its just that he ended up fighting guys he could easily pick apart.

imo his best performance ever is Corrales. love that fight.

Last thing to go is your power. Mike Tyson could still KO heavyweights today, the problem is they wouldn't stand still with their arms down and allow him to take his shot. Your legs, speed, fluidity, stamina, coordination all go but punchers are always punchers- just heavy-handed men.

Disagree on the effectiveness of the punch- Shane got good leverage, followed through, and landed it completely flush while Floyd was relaxed.

As for Oscar, he didn't really attempt the flick to the body-right upstairs until late in the fight when he landed it. It wasn't something where he was doing it and having success with it all night. And he did not hurt Floyd with that punch, or any other for that matter.

Look at Floyd's legs after that shot lands. they stiffin up and has to start bouncing around to get his legs back. he obviously wasnt in a 'oh **** hes about to get ktfo' moment like Mosley, but theres no doubt the punch had effect.

And that 'power is the last thing to go' part is a big myth. Speed is a large part of power for many fighters, and speed goes quickly as you age. Coordination and timing as also a huge part of power punching, and that goes as you age.

Look at someone like Hopkins. He actually kept a lot of his speed and coordination as he aged, but his age severely limited his offense. Its been forever since he got a stoppage, which is a big difference from his earlier prime.

regardless, even if Mosley was prime, that type of punch isnt his best shot. He didnt get all his body behind it.

[ChangoHater]

Personally I believe Floyd was at his best at 130 and 135, and not much different if at all at 140...its just that he ended up fighting guys he could easily pick apart.

imo his best performance ever is Corrales. love that fight.


Look at Floyd's legs after that shot lands. they stiffin up and has to start bouncing around to get his legs back. he obviously wasnt in a 'oh **** hes about to get ktfo' moment like Mosley, but theres no doubt the punch had effect.

And that 'power is the last thing to go' part is a big myth. Speed is a large part of power for many fighters, and speed goes quickly as you age. Coordination and timing as also a huge part of power punching, and that goes as you age.

Look at someone like Hopkins. He actually kept a lot of his speed and coordination as he aged, but his age severely limited his offense. Its been forever since he got a stoppage, which is a big difference from his earlier prime.

regardless, even if Mosley was prime, that type of punch isnt his best shot. He didnt get all his body behind it.

The Gatti was also a great performance by him even if he did sucker punch him

[Specialist6]

head movement so he can't time you with the right hand.

If Ortiz won 3 outta 4 rounds without any head movement, just imagine what he could've done if he did move his head. You don't have to worry about floyds power, There are fighters at 140 that hit harder than floyd ever has or could. Just bob and weave your way in and throw combinations and floyd gets KTFO. The philly shell defense is also known as ***g0t boxing for a reason

Your whole post was ******. Especially about the philly shell. But, i forgot you pac fans think manny created boxing and its all about him. Look up tommy hearns or james toney guy.

[Steak]

you mentioned castilo being a sparring partner for chavez (which is kinda ****** because everyone sparred with each other @ some point or the other in that era) BTW if you knew anything you would know that chavez & castillio barely sparred. & chavez was way past faded when the 2 did meet..........yea randall doesn't fight like mayweather. in realty Castillo doesn't fight like chavez, the only similarity is the pressure.......mayweather is light years better then randall (even when he was a teen)

my point is chavez had problems with movement & counter punching.......i thought the sweet p fight was a blow out not a draw........chavez also got discouraged when he couldn't catch his opponent & was taking in counters for his efforts. i see a clear UD in mayweathers favor..........believe it or not i don't even think it would be all that close.

Castillo doesnt fight like Chavez? youre joking right? Smart pressure fighting backed by excellent body punching and infighting expertise?

A very annoying myth is that Chavez had problem with movement and counter punching, which is actually very incorrect. Chavez dominated guys like that, just look at his fight with Camacho, John Duplessis and Lonnie Smith, with his outstanding ability to cut off the ring. Chavez stylistically had problem with volume punchers, because he would stay defensive for too long sometimes waiting for the opponent to finish, which would give that opponent the opportunity to steal rounds. We can see this by watching his fights with Sammy Fuentes and Meldrick Taylor, who stole a number of rounds in that fashion.

Whitaker won not because he fought on the outside, but actually because he was so good fighting on the inside...he fought on even terms with Chavez at that range, which took the play away from Chavez. Not to mention that he threw many more punches than Mayweather.

Saying it wouldnt be close is a bit ridiculous.

[ChangoHater]

Castillo doesnt fight like Chavez? youre joking right? Smart pressure fighting backed by excellent body punching and infighting expertise?

A very annoying myth is that Chavez had problem with movement and counter punching, which is actually very incorrect. Chavez dominated guys like that, just look at his fight with Camacho, John Duplessis and Lonnie Smith, with his outstanding ability to cut off the ring. Chavez stylistically had problem with volume punchers, because he would stay defensive for too long sometimes waiting for the opponent to finish, which would give that opponent the opportunity to steal rounds. We can see this by watching his fights with Sammy Fuentes and Meldrick Taylor, who stole a number of rounds in that fashion.

Whitaker won not because he fought on the outside, but actually because he was so good fighting on the inside...he fought on even terms with Chavez at that range, which took the play away from Chavez. Not to mention that he threw many more punches than Mayweather.

Saying it wouldnt be close is a bit ridiculous.

Your talking to a brick wall americanbot is racist who tries to discredit any Non American fighters

[IMDAZED]

Castillo doesnt fight like Chavez? youre joking right? Smart pressure fighting backed by excellent body punching and infighting expertise?

A very annoying myth is that Chavez had problem with movement and counter punching, which is actually very incorrect. Chavez dominated guys like that, just look at his fight with Camacho, John Duplessis and Lonnie Smith, with his outstanding ability to cut off the ring. Chavez stylistically had problem with volume punchers, because he would stay defensive for too long sometimes waiting for the opponent to finish, which would give that opponent the opportunity to steal rounds. We can see this by watching his fights with Sammy Fuentes and Meldrick Taylor, who stole a number of rounds in that fashion.

Whitaker won not because he fought on the outside, but actually because he was so good fighting on the inside...he fought on even terms with Chavez at that range, which took the play away from Chavez. Not to mention that he threw many more punches than Mayweather.

Saying it wouldnt be close is a bit ridiculous.

To be fair, saying that Castillo fights like Chavez is like saying Broner fights like Floyd. And Floyd is pretty damn good at in-fighting, I would say. I don't know if Mayweather could beat Chavez at 135. Above lightweight, yes. I honestly think the person with the best chance would be Hearns.

[DE100]

Tried it again:

[Specialist6]

I completely left of the jab. Speed is important too, but Floyd showed us against Zab that speed alone isn't the answer.

You need a great jab to nullify Floyd's left hook. You'd need an even better one to stop his right lead and pull-counter. Welterweight Hearns would be ideal but even then he'd have to throw every last jab with authority, land enough of them, and he'd need to something else. Fighters like Floyd, Bernard, and Pernell have a way of taking an opponents best punch away from them- in Hearns case, the right hand. I won't spend much tome talking up a hypothetical matchup, but I do see tactics in Floyd's arsenal that could be very effective with a Hearns type.

I don't think punching in combination is the answer. It's never worked before and usually leads to a fighter wearing himself out physically and/or mentally. Per compubox, opponents land 16% oft sir punches on Floyd. That's 1 landed punch for about every 6 thrown. That's the type of frustration that led to guys like Oscar and Shane giving up, and Ortiz to jumping headbutts.

Thank you, one of the most unbiased and knowledgeable post ive seen. Thank you.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Personally I believe Floyd was at his best at 130 and 135, and not much different if at all at 140...its just that he ended up fighting guys he could easily pick apart.

imo his best performance ever is Corrales. love that fight.

As you noted Mayweather was uncomfortable in the rematch against Castillo, I agree with you there, although he dominated he was uncomfortable because he couldn't pick and choose where he wanted to take the fight as Castillo was the bigger stronger guy.

So for Chavez to have had the same if not more success against Floyd, or make Floyd uncomfortable, he would have needed the same luxury Castillo had. Like I said, at 140 Floyd doesn't get pushed around and since coming back after the Hatton fight he has filled in, Floyd is different now. He may have lost a few things but he also gained some things too.