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It isn't easy to KO someone who is "fighting" like Haye did, weaving, bobbing, ducking, running around in the ring, going in and out quickly. Haye is a very fast fighter & was extremely cautious himself and not really allowing a good exchange until the last rounds. Fighting defensive is how Emanuel Steward trained Wlad after his defeats against Sanders & Brewster.
Exactly.Comment
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Im not defending Haye.
He gave Wlad the fight by not throwing.
But Wlad is a monster HW 6"7 ATG supposedly.
He made no attempt at any point to be aggressive. NOT ONCE!
You can say Haye ran, but he's a midget in modern day HW terms. He ahad no choice really. Wlad did.
So either Haye is a dangerous HW that needed a careful approach to beat or Wlad is *****.
Its one or the other. It can't be neither.
Tyson fought guys just trying to survive and they did survive but he at least took chances to try and KO them.
Watch the fight again and tell me when Wlad did the same.Comment
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you can always cut the ring off and get him to walk into a right hand. there's a lot of risk there, and its probably what haye was looking for, but there have been plenty of great HW who would have taken the risks and knocked haye out or made him quit
wlad's a hall of famer certainly but i don't think he has the style and the chin to hang with the ten best HW of all time.
there might be a few mad matches out there (for instance, i think he'd beat jack johnson, who fought simmilarly [stay huge and on the outside and hold on the inside.
The ATG distinction, and the criteria for the "atg evaluation" are really the question here
wladimir has dominated the division for a very long time, rarely losing a round or even getting hit.
i hate saying this about pro boxers, but the division has ****** during his tenure
his best potential opponent (and the guy on whom his resume would be built to a great degree,) is his brother, and they will never fight.
for that reason both klitschkos, though dominant, will be questioned
that being said, in 50 years young people learning about boxing will come across the klitsckos and find two brothers who were HW champions at the same time who nobody could touch
that's pretty damn remarkable and easy to take for granted now
you can bet it wont be down the lineComment
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Good post.
For what its worth i think Wlad IS borderline ATG.
But i also rate Haye as a very good/great fighter.
My argument is with the people that say Wlad is an ATG and Haye is bum, because if that was the case Wlad would have destroyed him in 4-5 rounds and taken huge risks to do so.Comment
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Haye's only chance at winning was to get inside, Haye did the exact opposite and lost every single round
Oh and show me a video where any Tyson opponent fought the way Haye fought. Haye literally would go full minutes without throwing a single punch none of Tyson or Foreman's opponents ever did that.Comment
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haye doesnt fight inside
and wlad would have easily tied him up (you saw haye going to the ground to get all that weight off of him)
his only chance at winning was to run away and hope to catch wladimir with something big with the 15 or 20 punches tops he throws. horrible strategy
he showed up for a paycheck
i think he blew a ton of steam until the reality of the situation sank in and he realized (probably during training, at the very latest in that dressing room of his,) that he had zero chance.Comment
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Cmon, Haye didn't throw nothing he also didnt lose every single round. This is just how people remember the fight over time. He caught Wlad a few times.
As for the Tyson thing i don't remember Tyson fighting a guy 5 inches and 40lbs smaller than him. But Tucker and Smith ran and held. Its probably not a good analogy though, you are right there.
As someone said before Haye is an outside fighter. He is used to fighting guys his height or shorter at CW. Maybe beating a Klit is impossible for him, but he tried and Wlad at least respected his power.
I just think both guys were equally responsible for the boring fight when you consider the size and style of each fighter.Comment
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referee: Genaro Rodriguez | judge: Michael Pernick 118-108 | judge: Adalaide Byrd 117-109 | judge: Stanley Christodoulou 116-110
People remember the fight exactly how it happened and you can't come much closer to losing every single round. Landing a couple of punches in the whole fight does not win a fight nor make it competative.Comment
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Wlad fought a smart fight, he worked out Haye's style and nullified it. How can anyone hate on that. He made Haye look amateurish.Comment
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