Margarito and Cotto would have stopped JMM at Welter

[Hyper Knuckles]

Cotto hits harder than Margarito, I think he'd put Marquez on his ass with a perfectly timed big left hook. JMM forwards offense is not outstanding, but he's tweaked it enough over the years to make his style a little more fun to watch. Cotto is a boxer puncher and can alternate when he needs to. That versatility alone guarantees him the win.
Margarito would eat so many counters it's not even funny. I think Marquez survives against Tony simply because he won't engage him. He'll choose his spots and keep moving from harm in an intelligent manner. Tony meanwhile recieves 3-4 punches combinations from JMM for every one sloppy shot he lands.

[TheMelvern]

If JMM was able to neutralize Pacquiaos speed and power, I think he can neutralize Margaritos speed and power the whole 12 rounds lol. Some of you are trying to say he has a better chance against Cotto but its the other way around. Obviously it wouldnt be a walk in the park because of size but can JMM peat both of them? Of course. Style, size matters. Skill level also matters lets not forget that and Margarito is a sparring partner compared to Marquez.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Cotto hits harder than Margarito, I think he'd put Marquez on his ass with a perfectly timed big left hook. JMM forwards offense is not outstanding, but he's tweaked it enough over the years to make his style a little more fun to watch. Cotto is a boxer puncher and can alternate when he needs to. That versatility alone guarantees him the win.
Margarito would eat so many counters it's not even funny. I think Marquez survives against Tony simply because he won't engage him. He'll choose his spots and keep moving from harm in an intelligent manner. Tony meanwhile recieves 3-4 punches combinations from JMM for every one sloppy shot he lands.

How can you say for certain that he hits harder than Marg? Maybe at 140 coming up but at 154?

I don't know man. Regardless of the wraps thing, everyone who has sparred and fought Marg says his shots carry serious weight.

[Hyper Knuckles]

How can you say for certain that he hits harder than Marg? Maybe at 140 coming up but at 154?

I don't know man. Regardless of the wraps thing, everyone who has sparred and fought Marg says his shots carry serious weight.

I'm not for sure at 154(yet) but Mosley has vouched for Cotto and said he hits harder than Tony. Obviously Shane's the perfect guy to evaluate between the two b/c of his granite chin lol. Margarito always looks like he's throwing arm punches and wide telegraphed hooks but I'll admit his uppercuts are unparalleled.

He's the essential "Stone Wall" type. I think if he lands enough pushed jabs on Cotto as he blocks, the Puerto Rican's arms will eventually tire out and he'll begin to take punishment, queuing viscious uppercuts/bodyshots on the inside. I think the serious weight of his punches is in large part due to opponents frequently being on the retreat and Tony lending his whole body into throwing them as he comes forwards. The moment Miguel gets seriously hurt I believe he'll forget his gameplan and stand there to get plastered again, pinned against the ropes.

[boxingsmash69]

I think JMM would have UD'd both of them, in very exciting fights, somewhat competitive.


By the way, notice how the former feather/superfeatherweights (Pac/JMM/Floyd) seem to have an easier time outboxing the bigger guys at welterweight?

Maybe it has to do with those 3 being used to dealing with naturally faster punches/movement of the smaller fighters @ featherweight, that enables them to have an easier time seeing/reacting to naturally slower punches/movement of bigger guys @ welterweight? This would also increase their chances of landing punches you don't see coming, resulting in more damage/stuns.

It makes perfect sense, especially for Pac and Floyd (because both still seem to be very fast at WW, Marquez not as much)

Notice in Pac/JMM III, both are not only experienced against smaller guys, but have fought each other 3 times already and know each other too well. JMM will always know how to deal with Pac because he's the overall better technical fighter. Pac's recent opponents @ WW are not used to seeing such fast punches from him, but JMM has and also came from the lower weightclasses.

Floyd vs. JMM. Sure, both came from the lower weightclasses, but Floyd had every advantage in the book against JMM (besides rust). Style/speed/size/youth/strength(?). I'm sure the JMM that fought Pac recently would have done much better against Floyd, but would still lose a clear decision.

Notice how Katsidis and Diaz hurt JMM with their left hooks. I think this was possible because JMM didn't see them coming (Katsidis/Diaz are pretty fast, and are not naturally slower welterweights)


JMM vs. Cotto:

Cotto starts the fight with his pressuring style, and JMM plays the boxer as usual.

Cotto is very vulnerable to uppercuts (especially left uppercuts). JMM's uppercuts are a thing of beauty when it comes to technique and timing (especially his left uppercut). I see JMM countering Cotto with his infamous left uppercut> right straight combo.

JMM is vulnerable to left hooks. I can see Cotto landing some and maybe even stunning JMM. When that happens, Cotto will try to finish him, but JMM will fight back and still land counter combos, resulting in Cotto being more cautious.

I can see Cotto landing some very good jabs on JMM. Pacquiao was able to adjust to Cotto's jab, he countered it by slipping outside with a left straight. JMM should be able to adjust to Cotto's jab, most likely by a right straight over the jab, and by parrying and jabbing back.

Once JMM has Cotto's pressure figured out, I see Cotto reverting to outboxing, which he is pretty good at, but not as good as he is in pressure fighting.

JMM doesn't do as well when he is forced to lead, it might look like JMM/Diaz 2, but more competitive.

Both fighters have their moments and hurt each other several times, but JMM wins a competitive but clear UD.

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JMM vs. Margarito? let's just say that JMM shouldn't have a hard time seeing a very slow welterweight's punches coming. However, Marg throws so many punches, that some will land for sure.

I see JMM landing 3-4 punches for every 1 punch Marg lands. It might look like JMM/Diaz 1, with JMM in trouble on the ropes.

JMM outboxes Marg to a competitive but clear UD.

[LeG00N]

...well one things for certain.

Marquez is greater than both, he's overall better than both and if they were P4P the same size, he would beat both.