Comments Thread For: Team Pacquiao Cracks? Ariza Rips Arum, Koncz Over Floyd

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pac was considered p4p#1 by ring magazine before the de la hoya fight. although oscar was past prime when he fought pac, you have to remember that before the de la hoya fight pac had never fought at ww and had just entered the lightweight division. No one could even conceive at that time that a guy who started at flyweight could even be competitive at ww. the only reason the media hyped up pac's win against oscar is because he was a huge underdog going into the fight.

Also, hatton and cotto were still good wins for pac. Clottey was an ok win and probably the best option out there since the mayweather negotiations fell apart and mosley was still scheduled to fight berto. Clottey was ranked #5 best ww at the time by ring magazine.

I give Pac props for the De La Hoya win because there was more people doubting him then believing in him going into that fight but Oscar was done off and that was/is a fact. Hatton I give him props as well because it was at 140 where Hatton was the division champ. No arguments there BUT Cotto? Win would have been better for him if he A. Fought Cotto at the full WW limit for his title or B. Fought Shane Mosley the WW#1 in 09 when Mosley was begging him for it. If Pac would have fought Cotto at 147 and or Shane then no doubt BUT he didn't and all he has been doing is stacking his titles up and having his fights set up to make him look greater than he is. Juan Manuel Marquez proved that Pac hasn't improved so all of them wins against bigger guys is looking more suspect and I think that is the hype homie is talking about.

[Pinoy4ever]

**** bob arum

[thatnickuh]

pac was considered p4p#1 by ring magazine before the de la hoya fight.

By default.

although oscar was past prime when he fought pac, you have to remember that before the de la hoya fight pac had never fought at ww and had just entered the lightweight division. No one could even conceive at that time that a guy who started at flyweight could even be competitive at ww. the only reason the media hyped up pac's win against oscar is because he was a huge underdog going into the fight.

Also, hatton and cotto were still good wins for pac. Clottey was an ok win and probably the best option out there since the mayweather negotiations fell apart and mosley was still scheduled to fight berto. Clottey was ranked #5 best ww at the time by ring magazine.

Again, I'm not dismissing those wins or saying that he doesn't deserve any credit for them. I'm simply saying that those wins are overhyped to the genral public by people who should know better. All you have to do is listen to Roach talk about thse fights and fighters beforehand to understand my point. There's a reason that those fights were made. Seriously, I'm sure you've seen that video of Roach discussing each of those fighters before Pacquiao fought them.

[mikemurni]

I give Pac props for the De La Hoya win because there was more people doubting him then believing in him going into that fight but Oscar was done off and that was/is a fact. Hatton I give him props as well because it was at 140 where Hatton was the division champ. No arguments there BUT Cotto? Win would have been better for him if he A. Fought Cotto at the full WW limit for his title or B. Fought Shane Mosley the WW#1 in 09 when Mosley was begging him for it. If Pac would have fought Cotto at 147 and or Shane then no doubt BUT he didn't and all he has been doing is stacking his titles up and having his fights set up to make him look greater than he is. Juan Manuel Marquez proved that Pac hasn't improved so all of them wins against bigger guys is looking more suspect and I think that is the hype homie is talking about.

You had Pac losing to Cotto when that fight was announced. lol...You talked a lot of game in Cotto's favor, and now you dont want to acknowledge that win...At least be consistent..

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Why the hell would you quote a boxing site, when what you are suppose to quote from a news site. Here from ABS-CBN Network..


MANILA, Philippines – Boxing superstar Manny Pacquiao was sued by his former accounting firm for allegedly refusing to pay for the services rendered to him, according to FightHype.com.

VisionQwest, which was recently fired by Pacquiao, has reportedly lodged a complaint against the 8-division champion.

Sources cited by Fighthype.com said Pacquiao was served the papers personally.

"Pacquiao himself was delivered the paperwork yesterday during a break in his training as he continues to prepare for his November 12 showdown with Juan Manuel Marquez," the report said.

Pacquiao had hired VisionQwest to handle his accounting, personal and business tax, audits and examinations and contract reviews.

He, however, terminated the services of the firm after it reportedly found “various accounting issues” with respect to Pacquiao’s finances.

Pacquiao has not commented on any issue concerning VisionQwest, but did dismiss rumors that he was losing money.

It says Pac personally terminated the visionqwest contract

Hey man. Listen, you believe what you want but have you ever asked yourself why would Pac hire them and then fire them? He hired them to find where his money was going which impilicated Top Rank as being the questionable culprits. The job of Visionquest is to gain access to everything on record and file to properly do their job which is investigating where the money goes and where it is at. Why can't you get that through your head? They are supposed to financially sort you out not take from you. Everything is right there and you're telling me that it didn't happen? Even Boxingscene has been posting articles about this. Whatever man, you believe what you want but Ariza himself in this same article you're posted back and forth with me about says that Koncz is writing himself checks. This same article Ariza is saying that Arum is ganking Pac and you're still going to war with me on the issue? Shhhheeeeesssh. Let me ask you this final question. Do you think Bob Arum would gain from Pac working with Visionquest or lose? think about it before you answer. Even Floyd accused Arum of trying to stiff him on money owed.

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You had Pac losing to Cotto when that fight was announced. lol...You were talked a lot of game in Cotto's favor, and now you dont want to acknowledge that win...At least be consistent..

Why do you think Roach demanded CWs or no fight , do you think it hurt the opponents ?

Why did Pac need to CW Cotto but not Clottey ?

Why does any fighter need to CW guys inside their own division .

Would you except Bradley forcing Khan to 136 for khans 140 title ?

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You had Pac losing to Cotto when that fight was announced. lol...You were talked a lot of game in Cotto's favor, and now you dont want to acknowledge that win...At least be consistent..

I did go against Pac because I didn't think he could handle the power and pressure of Cotto but I was wrong and admitted it like I'm sure you was wrong about Pac beating JMM by blowing past him but look at my sig and see how I called it, so don't get mad at me and try to question what I said or did before because before I picked Cotto to beat Manny. I picked Manny because I never have been too confident about both fighters. What about my other picks? Talk about those much? Fact of the matter is that I didn't hate on Pac or say anything that wasn't true concerning the Cotto fight. 147 instead of 145 would have been a better look for him. You're twisting my words and getting offended because you are a Pac fan, while I'm just telling it like it is.

[mikemurni]

Why do you think Roach demanded CWs or no fight , do you think it hurt the opponents ?

Why did Pac need to CW Cotto but not Clottey ?

Why does any fighter need to CW guys inside their own division .

Would you except Bradley forcing Khan to 136 for khans 140 title ?

When Pac won against DLH, consensus here was that he had to go back down to 140 or 135.. Because while he KO'd DLH at 147, there was no proof that he can be an effective WW. Nobody knew how effective he could be at 147, that's why he went down to fight Hatton at 140...

There's even a poll here on who he can beat at 147, and none of them said that he can beat the top WW's in 2008-2009. Thus, the need for a catchweight. Obviously you just joined Dec 2009, so you wouldnt know this. Or maybe you did, you just refused to acknowledge it..

[mikemurni]

I did go against Pac because I didn't think he could handle the power and pressure of Cotto but I was wrong and admitted it like I'm sure you was wrong about Pac beating JMM by blowing past him but look at my sig and see how I called it, so don't get mad at me and try to question what I said or did before because before I picked Cotto to beat Manny. I picked Manny because I never have been too confident about both fighters. What about my other picks? Talk about those much? Fact of the matter is that I didn't hate on Pac or say anything that wasn't true concerning the Cotto fight. 147 instead of 145 would have been a better look for him. You're twisting my words and getting offended because you are a Pac fan, while I'm just telling it like it is.

So you were wrong... So the least you can do is acknowledge the win, right??

And regarding your last post.. I dont have any disagreement regarding the hiring of Visionqwest.. Its the FIRING that I disagree because that was strictly Pac's decision.. And I am basing this on news source in the Philippines were there is no opinion, rumors, or any editorials statements that you read from fight hype....

It strictly news source that I am basing it on...

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Alex Ariza, the strength and conditioning coach of WBO welterweight champion Manny Pacquiao, blames Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, who promotes Pacquiao, and Michael Koncz, the agent of Pacquiao, as standing in way of a possible super-fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr., already scheduled to return on May 5th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. During an explosive interview with Fighthype.com, Ariza's erupted when approached about the subject of Koncz and Arum, claiming the two of them are going to do everything possible to prevent the mega-match from taking place. Ariza made several allegations against Arum and Koncz, including one claim that Koncz is preventing any outside parties from reviewing Pacquiao's financial records.

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Who is Pawel Pronishev? He has written several negative articles on team Pac, but there seems to be no information available on the internet about the writer himself. Where is he based, where and from whom does he get his information, are things that are murky and su****ious. The guy does not have a facebook account, nothing on wikepedia, no information about him on google, except on the things he wrote.

Can anyone provide anything to show that this guy is legit?