Smitty says Marquez defeated Pacquiao

[frosty-g]

Yea bro, saw it 79 times in it's entirety (including all the undercard matches and post fight interviews, can't leave those out. People forget that they're also determining factors in the outcome).
If you watch it after drinking a beer, upside down and from a 74 degree angle, the shots Pacquiao landed on Marquez clearly killed him. Since God himself was in the ring with Marquez that night, he miraculously stayed in the match.
My score was 184 to -5 in favor of Pacquiao.


Are you really?

if you watch all that a couple more times, on freeze frame (not even just super slow motion), like i did myself, then you'll actually realise that manny put on a cape, flew to floyd's house, ***** slapped him about and came back to finish off marquez. an amazing fighter.

[frosty-g]

well that is an absolutely ******ed score because

b) how can you possibly win by 3 points in a fight with no KD

a drawn round perhaps?

[fcastro1]

all the close rounds go to pac because he was the agressor. marquez didnt go for it. If pac fought like marquez then their would be no fight just 2 people posing so i think the victory was deserved. And marquez didnt beat pac to a pulp. check box rec punch stats. were just not used to seeing pac in a close fight, so people assume he lost.

[Bushbaby]

all the close rounds go to pac because he was the agressor. marquez didnt go for it. If pac fought like marquez then their would be no fight just 2 people posing so i think the victory was deserved. And marquez didnt beat pac to a pulp. check box rec punch stats. were just not used to seeing pac in a close fight, so people assume he lost.

Being the agressor & applying effective aggression are 2 different things. If you want to see effective aggression visit Cotto-Margarito 1. Was Pacman the agressor sure, was it effective,no. He was being turned & countered all night long but the smaller, weaker & slower man. He was never set, had to reset at every exchange, couldn't cut of the ring & the only effect team Pacman had that was arum buying some judges.

[hugh grant]

When Castillo was robbed by the judges against Floyd there werent this much outcry becuase for someone to beat Pac is more amazing. Someone as great as JMM who is better than Castillo would astound people if Pac lost to someone even as good as JMM.

When its a close decision Pac deserves to win, considering he shows how you are supposed to beat people time and time again. You have to do more than that im afraid JMM.

[Toyman]

all the close rounds go to pac because he was the agressor. marquez didnt go for it. If pac fought like marquez then their would be no fight just 2 people posing so i think the victory was deserved. And marquez didnt beat pac to a pulp. check box rec punch stats. were just not used to seeing pac in a close fight, so people assume he lost.

not only that, but look at marquez face postfight thencompare it to pac - you'l easily be able to see which one of them took a beating that night

[studentofthegam]

What we saw/believe will not matter years from now. Will announcers say it was controversial? Sure. Will it change the fact that Manny got the W? No.

Let's respect the fighters for what they gave us, regardless of what the judges saw. Neither should be diminished, seeing how it's basically out of their hands.

Its a fans right to complain about a sport that is as shady as boxing is. Its no guarantee that anything will change but it does send a message regardless that we arent f-in ******. Pac is diminished a taste because the way he was beaten he had no right to be arrogant and confident in any conversation about that fight. He should have given his normal vanilla speech and patted Marquez on the back. Not "I clearly won". When Pacquiao lies its all over his face.

Round 1: Pacquiao didnt land ****. I dont know where compubox got 11 punches from. I saw a jab, a cross, and that's it(as far as effective punches are concerned). Marquez controlled the pace, landed a couple jabs, and a couple good combos to the body. Marquez 10/9

Round 2: Total JMM round. He didnt let Pac set anything up, and countered him effectively a few times with solid punches and combos. Marquez 10/9 (18-20)

Round 3. This is a pretty close round. Marquez catches Pac with a beautiful uppercut as he was coming in. Pacquiao lands solidly in this round with both hands, but Marquez is still controlling the tempo and countering at will. Manny lands a hard right hook at the end which up to this point is the best punch of the fight, but in my eyes not enough to win the round. Marquez 10/9 (27-30)

Round 4. This is another close round like the previous one. Both guys land good shots, but this time Marquez closes out the round with a big right hand flush on Manny's jaw. Marquez 10/9 (36-40)

Round 5. Marquez dominated this round. Marquez 10/9 (45-50)

Round 6. Most decisive round for Manny Pacquiao. He still had to work his ass off for it tho. Pacquiao 10/9 (55-59)

Round 7. I dont remember much from this round except that Marquez wins it. I remember he lands a beautiful right hand as Pacquiao throws his left. It's a bit like the right hand that floyd lands on Ortiz in round 3 when ortiz is coming in. Primetime showed an overhead replay of it, you know what Im talking about. Marquez 10/9 (64-69)

Round 8. I have watched this fight a few times, and I always lean towards packy on this one. Pacquiao 10/9 (74-78)

Round 9. This is a very interesting round, but over all Marquez landed the much better shots, and more of them. I can see this as one of those that might have gone either way. Marquez 10/9 (83-88)

Round 10. I give this round to Pacquiao because he outworked Marquez. Pacquiao 10/9 (93-97)

Round 11. Marquez outboxed him. Marquez 10/9 (102-107)

Round 12. Nothing happened. I'll give it to pacquiao because he landed a couple of times. Pac 10/9

(112-116) Marquez


I see most people score round 1 for Pac. I just dont agree, he didnt land sh-it. You can maybe give him round 3 because of his work rate and great right hook, but I still thought Marquez put some work in there earlier in the round. Round 6 was a Pacquiao round. Round 8 he barely eeked out, he worked hard for round 10, and 12 was there for the taking. Really, I cant see how he won the fight if he couldnt even win the 3 minute battles within. I can see a draw being justified, but not a definite Pacquiao win. Sure as **** no 116-112.

This is how I scored it almost exactly. I was watching it with my homeboy(an undercover Pacquiao worshipper) and I gave Pac the first just to prove a point to him.

[-Lowkey-]

Marquez won he is the better fighter better boxer and better technician even at the ripe old age of 38.

Most people in and around boxing scored the fight for Marquez including some of Manny stable mates.

Lets be honest Manny looks good against slow plodding come forward fighters put him in there with a skilled technician we see that he cant adapt and at times looks confused and out of ideas.

I also think Pac fanboys have made a rod for there own backs with all the top 10 ATG and best southpaw ever bull**** its just absurd.

[#1Assassin]

well that is an absolutely ******ed score because

a) pacquiao won 8 rounds to 4

b) how can you possibly win by 3 points in a fight with no KD

a) no he didnt, if you think he won thats fine but 8-4? thats just wrong.

b) theres such a thing as an even round (10-10) or scoring a 10-8 round without a KD. is pac-marquez 3 the first fight you ever saw? lol

you really dont know ****, in the future you should say you think pacquiao lost. you might think more ppl saying they thought pacquiao won is good for his reputation, but when its coming from ppl like you who clearly dont know first thing about boxing it has the oposite effect.

watch some boxing, learn something. until then dont write anything bcuz its painfullt embarassing when you do.

[#1Assassin]

Being the agressor & applying effective aggression are 2 different things. If you want to see effective aggression visit Cotto-Margarito 1. Was Pacman the agressor sure, was it effective,no. He was being turned & countered all night long but the smaller, weaker & slower man. He was never set, had to reset at every exchange, couldn't cut of the ring & the only effect team Pacman had that was arum buying some judges.

^^ this

idk why some ppl have such a hard time wrapping their head around aggression and effective aggression being two seperate things. effective aggression scores points, plain aggression doesnt. pacuiao wasnt effective in his aggression so therefore it counts as nothing. FACT.

marquez turning him and keeping him off balance while staying off the ropes on the other hand is an excellent case of ring generalship, which does score points. add superior defense and cleaner more effective punching to the equation and it should be clear to all who won this fight.