Comments Thread For: Sergio Martinez on Pacquiao vs Marquez, Chavez, Roach

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Pirog will school the lucky puncher. Lara will shame Sergio into oblivion.

You make Check_hooks look real smart

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way to miss the point. . . im not buying arum's BS, but im also not buying sergio's BS. . . YOU, however, obviously believe sergio and his team are different from arum when THEY ARE NOT. . . sergio wants money, and he wants to earn it the easiest and fastest way possible - that's all. . . he's not a people's champ like suckers like you believe. . .

sergio refuses to fight certain fighters becuase he says "they don't bring enough to the table". . . POT, meet KETTLE (sergio, meet arum).

Oh really, well thats funny, because I have never heard you mention Arum at all, not once. You just seem to sit there and frantically wave your manny-flag whenever Martinez' name is mentioned.

I have never heard you blast Arum like you just did to Martinez, in fact, I have never even heard you mention him in that regard.

You actually sound shook.

It sounds to me like you are grand-standing, just like you did in your sig.

Where you tried to insinuate that you have good advice to give to knowledgeable posters, and yet you are just grand-standing with the benefit of hindsight.

what's up bro..

now, do you agree that weight is not an advantage for manny? did i tell you that it will be a competitive fight? as i've said, jmm will do his homework...
i think it was his age that caused him to loose the fight, he faded on the last rounds, he could have won if he was able to maintain his attacks.

The first part is fact, the second is just my opinion.....

FACT: Pac tried to set Marquez up, end of story, just like he did to Cotto.

The fact that the bullet missed, does not lessen the intent.

Pacquiao " conceded " a catchweight that he has never made himself, that tells the WHOLE story right there.

A catch-weight is middle-ground, but Manny's catchweight was higher than he could even make himself, so it is plainly obvious that they tried to disadvantage Marquez as much as possible by dragging him as far away from his most comfortable fighting weight.

The proof ? (as if any more proof was needed..... in fact, more proof is not required, but this will end the discussion)..... Manny recently admitted that he is a natural JWW and his best weight is 140..... and Ariza admitted that Manny has to eat 6 meals a day and 3am/6am shakes just to fight at welter..... so why did a lightweight have to jump TWO DIVISIONS?

It happened, and nothing will change that.

And no, I do not believe the " I told you so " people, not one bit. Not referring to you, but most of them are full of ****.

FACT: Pacquiao tried to disadvantage Marquez on the scales......

..... so the "oh, but they are the same size" comments, were rubbish fanboy excuses to justify why Pac was setting up a lightweight.

The fact that Marquez looked good, is irrelevant, because NOBODY thought that he would be effective above 140 as confirmed by Roach/Ariza/Fernandez themselves.

Nope, I do not believe for one second that any of Manny's fans who insisted that the weight would not be a problem, know more about boxing than Roach/Ariza/Fernandez..... who ALL admitted that the weight would be too much for Marquez.

The benefit of hindsight gets nobody off the hook, including uglypug.

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Bump.....

actions speak louder than words. if Martinez is a bum like Roach says way is he afraid to let any of his guys near him?

fact, Cotto ducked Martinez. Chavez is about to duck Martinez. both of them are Top Rank fighters. ever since Martinez put a beating on Pavlik Arum has avoided Martinez like the plague.

and you haters always bringing up Pirog and now Lara?, what happened to Golovkin?

Pirog beat a prospect in Danny Jacobs and that's it. he fought 2 bums in Russia after that, hardly impressive.

Good post man.

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the reason martinez wants to fight pac and floyd is because they are number 1 and 2 pound for pound he wants to prove that he is the number one pound for pound fighter in the world just like any other pro boxer would love to get a shot at doing so and if it comes with a handsome paycheck then all the better

Yea maybe, but I am sure the fact that if he were to fight either one of those two guys his paycheck will have an extra " 0 " on the end, has a little something to do with it.

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Great post man, solid.....

WORD LIFE! Pac fans are hypnotized by Bob Arum's Bull****. They hate on every fighter who critiques Pac but don't critique Pac themselves.

Sergio Martinez would destroy Margarito currently and Pac too. That's why Arum wanted to kill Martinez and bring him back from the dead to get a fight with Pacquiao.

I can't wait till these non knowledgable fan boys are extinct. Not all fans of Pac but the majority of them have nothing to offer debates but Pac is great and that posters are just haters and *****s for stating the obvious.

Everyone in the sport of boxing said Marquez beat Pac. If Pac fans want to believe that Manny won then fine, but don't act like we are wrong or mislead because Pac fans actually are.

I agree with all four points.

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Oh please, stop whining, Martinez would break the rest of that bums face.

You fanboy clowns are upset because Martinez is a genuine P4P champion, and Pacquiao is just a cherry-picking b1tch.

So what, Martinez punked Team " padded " Pacquiao again, so what?

Old news.

Maybe Manny did cherry pick here and there, but I still don't see Martinez making it through a resume of names like Pacquiao has.

What has Martinez really done to be exalted past guys like JMM and Wladimir on the P4P list? KO'ing Paul Williams - who he also lost to? Beating a part time alcoholic in Pavlik? Cintron? I'm really not one to hate of what a fighter has done in the ring, but Martinez is a bit overrated on the P4P IMO.

Martinez just had an off night against Darren Barker - he's never even fought anyone on the same stratosphere as Barerra, Morales, JMM and others whether they were washed up or not.

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Maybe Manny did cherry pick here and there, but I still don't see Martinez making it through a resume of names like Pacquiao has.

What has Martinez really done to be exalted past guys like JMM and Wladimir on the P4P list? KO'ing Paul Williams - who he also lost to? Beating a part time alcoholic in Pavlik? Cintron? I'm really not one to hate of what a fighter has done in the ring, but Martinez is a bit overrated on the P4P IMO.

Martinez just had an off night against Darren Barker - he's never even fought anyone on the same stratosphere as Barerra, Morales, JMM and others whether they were washed up or not.

Stop being so fkn gullible.

FACT: In order for a win to be significant, or to be genuinely regarded as "great", it would need to be an achievement that could not be matched by anybody else. If "anyone" could have beaten the guy, then how could the achievement be regarded as great?

NAME ONE FIGHTER THAT PACQUIAO BEAT WHO WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BEATEN BY A NUMBER OF GUYS IN HIS OWN DIVISION.

Name just one.

Then tell me how the *** that makes Pacquiao " great " ?

Martinez, nobody at MW could have beaten Pavlik or Williams, they were #1 and #2 for a reason.

Diaz - anybody could have beaten him, get real.

Hoya - get real, that was an exhibition match and a total fkn joke. Old, shot, drained, shrink-wrapped, 145lb Hoya would have lost to EVERY top welter, MOST top jww's, and a number of lightweights. Even Marquez would have knocked him the *** out - get real.

Hatton - was never a top fighter, and he was a cracked egg when Pacquiao fought him. He was highly vulnerable, a number of jww's could have beaten Hatton when Pac fought him, as would a number of top lightweights, he struggled with Collazo, Urango, Lazcano, and had just had his clock cleaned by Mayweather - get real, Marquez would have killed him.

Cotto - had just been wrecked by Margarito and battered by Clottey. He was about 4th / 5th in the division at that stage, he was highly vulnerable and ripe for the picking, and..... Pac tried to drain him on the scales. Any of the top welters would have beaten that shot 145lb version of Cotto..... Marquez would have decisioned him easily.

Clottey - this bum is a perennial underachiever who has failed at every hurdle. He is a basic fighter with a limited skillset who for some strange reason chose not to fight back..... that fight was a sparring session designed to make Pacquiao look good, and anybody could pass that test.

Margarito - just *** off, that fight was disgusting. That fight was held for a jmw title, and yet Margarito was a faded welterweight bum who would have been beaten by EVERY top jmw, EVERY top welter, and anyone with good stamina/skills who uses movement - get real.

Mosley - Pacquiao ducked Mosley TWICE when Shane was ranked the #1 welter, and only decided to fight him after he suffered an ugly draw with Mora - SO GET REAL. Mosley had been exposed as shot and being unable to pull the trigger by Mayweather, and then uglied by Mora, he was clearly shot, and THE ENTIRE WORLD knew that he was shot and could no longer pull the trigger, which is the only reason why "padded" Pacquiao finally decided to fight him - get real.

There is nothing great about the "achievements" listed above, and Manny had certainly not achieved traditional greatness before the highly controversial win/loss to Marquez in 2008.

It is ABSOLUTELY FKN ABSURD to mention Pacquiao alongside greats like Moore, Duran, and Armstrong. Ridiculous fanboy ****.

One word..... HYPE-JOB !!