Why can't we just accept that Marquez is a Top Fighter rather than be blinded...

[MeiXiang]

...by Pacquiao's fame? I mean, so many people are saying that Marquez was washed up at age 38, who took too many wars but the thing is - why can't we just accept that he did a massively great job fighting with Pacquiao? We're blinded sometimes with Pacquiao's star status that we simply don't think anything less than a dominating performance is satisfactory. Can we not simply come to the conclusion that Pacquiao isn't getting any worse but rather that Marquez has always been a great fighter and will always have Pacquiao figured more than any other boxer.

Conclusion - disappointing performance from Pacquiao or perhaps this just shows how great a fighter JMM is? Let's deconstruct JMM's losses -

- A loss to Floyd, the #1 pound for pound fighter in my opinion. Not much can be said about this. JMM was expected to lose and losing to Floyd isn't shameful.
- A split-decision loss to Pacquiao, which was highly debatable
- A loss to Chris John - I didn't watch this fight. Hopefully others can comment on it but it seems as though JMM was lost fairly and afterall, Chris John is still undefeated.
- A loss to Freddie Norwood - again, didn't watch the fight and hopefully someone can comment on it
- A debut disqualification. Not really sure what happened but I don't really rate this as a loss. Knowing JMM, he did something accidently or in the thick of the moment.

The more I look at it, I don't ever realise why we all thought Pacquiao would blow Marquez out. Was it the weight, the age or a combination of both? Doesn't the fact that he's fought Pacquiao twice before to controversy mean anything? Why were we all surprised? Should we be surprised?

For the record, I watched the fight twice: I still have Pac winning 7-5, which could have easily been the other way around for Marquez.

[Pactards GTFO]

I still have Pac winning 7-5

found your problem

[-Huey-]

If anyone can't acknowledge JMM as being a great fighter they should log off for good.

[SyrianPoster]

Marquez is 38 years old + Past his prime + A Lightweight = Pacquiao is just a fraud

[P4P_No1]

I don't think under-estimates Marquez technically. He's one of the best right now and has been for years.

People as you said, have been blinded by the fact he got schooled by Floyd & has lost to Pac twice (wrongly in my opinion).

But people believe that Pac would blow Marquez out was due to a number of things:
1. Was Marquez previous trip to this sort of weight. Yes it played a factor as he didn't put it on right but even if he came in right I still think Floyd would have done the same thing. He made Marquez become the aggressor which doesn't really suit him.
2. He has been in some serious wars recently (kats, diaz, floyd) & that takes its toll as the years go on.
3. Most people believed (rightly or wrongly) that Pacquaio had improved a great deal. People believed too much of the stuff come out of Roach & Ariza's mouth (plus Arum) with the he's now got a right-hand & he's a different animal now.
4. Down to the way Pac destroyed his previous opponents (cept Mosley). Of course more casual fans can see it in a different light now.

That air of invincibility that surrounded Pac before his last two fights has taken a beating somewhat.

But that should never take away what a great fighter Marquez has and always will be.

[-Lowkey-]

Marquez is a great fighter but Manny Pac is also a greatly overrated fighter I think people bought into the line of carefully picked opponents put in front of him by Arum when Manny is up against someone who isn’t a slow come forward stiff this is how he looks.

[keehlnate]

Juan Manuel Marquez is definitely without a doubt a Hall of Famer. He is one of the best boxer ever stepped foot on the ring.

[bojangles1987]

The only people denying Marquez's greatness are Floyd trolls trying to discredit Pacquiao.

[ModernTalking]

Marquez is 38 years old + Past his prime + A Lightweight = Pacquiao is just a fraud

Don't know what's more embarrassing, Manny Pacquiao being a fraud or Floyd Mayweather being scared by a fraud.

[SyrianPoster]

The only people denying Marquez's greatness are Floyd trolls trying to discredit Pacquiao.

Nobody is denying Marquez's greatness , its just that he is past his prime , he moved up in weight , and he still beat " The New Manny Pacquiao " .