out of 20 writers only one had Manny winning

**FloydPacquiaoJr** · 11-17-2011, 07:07 PM

there were other writes who also had manny winning not just 1

and others also had it a draw

**MeiXiang** · 11-17-2011, 07:08 PM

Because the opinion of 20 Writers is definitive...

**madsweeney** · 11-17-2011, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by x3_bazooka_x3

So how the hell can Manny or anybody with a straight face argue that this was a clear Pacquiao win? and the one writer who had Manny winning had him barely winning.
Yet we are supposed to believe that Manny clearly won?

Lem Satterfield, ******.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez

Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez

Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez

Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez

Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113, Marquez

Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com: 115-113, Marquez

Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAYAREA.com... 115-113, Marquez

Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez

George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez

Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez

Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao

Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114

Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114

Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114

Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114

Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114

Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114

Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114

You're right, wasn't a clear win for Pac, however, with that many 114-114 and 115-113 scorecards, a draw can easily be argued.

**fceeviper** · 11-17-2011, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by x3_bazooka_x3

So how the hell can Manny or anybody with a straight face argue that this was a clear Pacquiao win? and the one writer who had Manny winning had him barely winning.
Yet we are supposed to believe that Manny clearly won?

Lem Satterfield, ******.com: 117-111, Juan Manuel Marquez

Ron Borges, Boston Herald: 117-112, Marquez

Chris Mannix, Sports Illustrated: 116-112, Marquez

Tim Smith, New York Daily News: 116-112, Marquez

Mike Coppinger, ******.com: 115-113, Marquez

Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

Norm Frauenheim, www.15rounds.com: 115-113, Marquez

Ryan Maquinana, BoxingScene.com/CSNBAYAREA.com... 115-113, Marquez

Lance Pugmire, Los Angeles Times: 115-113, Marquez

Bob Velin, USA Today: 115-113, Marquez

George Willis, New York Post: 115-113, Marquez

Jerry Izenberg, Philadelphia Inquirer: 115-114, Marquez

Sean Sullivan, Boxing Digest: 115-114, Manny Pacquiao

Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review-Journal: 114-114

Tim Dahlberg, Associated Press: 114-114

Bryan Graham, Sports Illustrated: 114-114

Kevin Iole, Yahoo!Sports: 114-114

Kieran Mulvaney, ESPN.com/Reuters: 114-114

Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-114

Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com: 114-114

Speak on it!

**cupocity303** · 11-17-2011, 07:13 PM

Your premise of "How can anyone say that Pacquiao "clearly" won" is all wrong.

That one writer (and there are others who didn't make the list) shows that it was a disputable result, one way or the other.

Some who say that Marquez "clearly" won need to be challenged on their wording, not the other way around.

**cupocity303** · 11-17-2011, 07:15 PM

B0xingtalk website's Greg Leon had Pacquiao winning.

This guy has Pacquiao winning:

DAILY BREAD PACQUIAO/MARQUEZ EDITION

By Stephen "Breadman" Edwards

One Question-- Did Juan Manuel Marquez Get Robbed ?????

Bread�s Response: No, he didn�t get robbed. He lost a close tough fight again. It�s almost like he keeps losing by a mili-second in an Olympic sprint. I actually feel bad for Marquez. Honestly I don�t think he won (I scored it 115-113 for Manny Pacquiao) but I wouldn�t have complained if Marquez got the decision.

**cupocity303** · 11-17-2011, 07:19 PM

PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ III AFTERMATH

By Doveed Linder

Linder looks at last night's scoring plus Tim Bradley

Earlier this year, Nevada boxing judge Duane Ford told me a judge doesn�t score fights, he (or she) scores rounds. I was reminded of this statement after the third fight between Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Marquez Saturday night. When all was said and done, Pacquiao won a majority decuision by official scores of 116-112, 115-113 and 114-114. I was left with the impression that Pacquiao won the fight by a small margin, though I scored the fight six rounds apiece, or 114-114. The action was very close. With every round, I was looking for someone to do something of significance, which would make my job as an unofficial judge a little easier. At times, I scored rounds based on the strength of one or two meaningful punches, because that�s all I had to go by. One could make the argument that Pacquiao might have deserved a couple of extra rounds because he was the aggressor. But in my eyes, he wasn�t always an �effective aggressor� as HBO�s unofficial judge Harold Lederman seemed to believe. In fact, an argument could be made that Marquez deserved the decision. But the decision was in no way a robbery. This was a close fight that could have gone either way.

The first two fights between Pacquiao and Marquez revealed some significant flaws in both fighters. Pacquiao had a tendency to get a little wild and overcommit himself, while Marquez was caught flush on a few occasions. This time around, it looked to me as if both fighters made a deliberate effort to correct those flaws. From what I saw, Pacquiao fought very controlled and within himself, which is why he wasn�t able to do any damage of significance. And Marquez looked as if he was trying very hard not to get caught by Pacquiao�s left hand, which could explain why he didn�t pick up the pace when it seemed he needed to. To me, Marquez�s legs appeared unsteady throughout the fight. And in my opinion, if Pacquiao had made it a wild and physical fight, he could have gotten to him, though he would have paid a price for his troubles. Instead, both fighters fought at a fairly measured pace (though the action was very entertaining) in a fight that will leave fans debating as to who deserved the victory.

All in all, this was another very good fight between two great fighters. The ending was satisfying, but not gratifying. And if these two were to meet again, I think we would have another close fight, where the judges would favor the fighter with the eye-catching style and household name. Shortly after the fight, there was talk of a fourth encounter, which doesn�t necessarily appeal to me. We already know how these two fighters match up. And if a fourth fight doesn�t happen, I hope Juan Manuel Marquez retires. He could still win a few more fights. And if he chooses to fight again, so be it. But I would prefer that he leave the party on a strong note, opposed to seeing him get knocked off by some young lion like Brandon Rios. As for Pacquiao, obviously, Floyd Mayweather, Jr. is the biggest thing out there for him. But given how close the action was between Pacquiao and Marquez, I think Pacquiao-Mayweather has lost some steam. I�ve been going back and forth on this issue for the past two and a half years. One moment, I think it might be a competitive fight. But when you use the �Marquez gauge� (which I think is a very revealing gauge), I can see how it could be a wipeout in favor of Mayweather. Honestly, as a fan, I just don�t care anymore. In my eyes, the fight isn�t as juicy as it once was. I hope they fight. But if they don�t, I won�t lose any sleep over it.

**x3_bazooka_x3** · 11-17-2011, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by Cupocity303

Your premise of "How can anyone say that Pacquiao "clearly" won" is all wrong.

That one writer (and there are others who didn't make the list) shows that it was a disputable result, one way or the other.

Some who say that Marquez "clearly" won need to be challenged on their wording, not the other way around.

Wrong he may have did enough to earn a draw but he did not clearly win the fight there are more writers here that had Marquez winning than who scored it a draw..

**x3_bazooka_x3** · 11-17-2011, 07:28 PM

Originally posted by MeiXiang

Because the opinion of 20 Writers is definitive...

thats pretty one sided, when you look at it the majority had Marquez winning the others had it a draw and only one had Manny winning meaning Manny didnt clearly win nor did he clearly beat Marquez

out of 20 writers only one had Manny winning