The contradiction of HBO

[bolodux]

The point about this theory is the stats? I furbished them with the full stats, to cast doubt on that theory.

Do try and think things through and read the original premise of the thread before making judgements.

Williams vs Lara, onesided win for Lara despite the lump on his head.

The stats according to HBO before the decision was announced:

Total Punches [thrown/landed] :

Pacquiao vs Marquez

176/578 138/436
30% 32%

Total Power Punches [thrown/landed] :

Pacquiao vs Marquez

117/274 100/254
43% 39%

Final Punchzone Stats:

[Landed on]

Pacquiao vs Marquez

95 (head) 149 (head)
43 (body) 17 (body)
138 (total) 166 (total)

These are the stats as reported by compubox website:

Pacquiao vs Marquez

Total Punches [thrown/landed] Jabs [t/l] Power Punches [t/l]

176/578 59/304 117/274
30% 19% 43%

138/436 38/182 100/254
32% 21% 39%

I'll let you guys catch the error & figure out the percentages that support what the TS was relating to (didn't think Pac landed as many) & how it affects the perception/effectivenes/closeness of the performance. The comparison to Williams vs Lara isn't even close to the number of punches thrown (Williams threw 100% more than Lara & the diff landed is much higher 23% vs 2% or 3% for this fight).

Keep in mind these are just #s anyways & their reliability is fairly subjective (unless u watch in slo mo/3d/etc...). Ha!

Always a good idea to show the full picture if the info is readily available. Unfortunately I don't have the power yet to include the images.

Ponder away...

[D4thincarnation]

The stats according to HBO before the decision was announced:

Total Punches [thrown/landed] :

Pacquiao vs Marquez

176/578 138/436
30% 32%

Total Power Punches [thrown/landed] :

Pacquiao vs Marquez

117/274 100/254
43% 39%

Final Punchzone Stats:

[Landed on]

Pacquiao vs Marquez

95 (head) 149 (head)
43 (body) 17 (body)
138 (total) 166 (total)

These are the stats as reported by compubox website:

Pacquiao vs Marquez

Total Punches [thrown/landed] Jabs [t/l] Power Punches [t/l]

176/578 59/304 117/274
30% 19% 43%

138/436 38/182 100/254
32% 21% 39%

I'll let you guys catch the error & figure out the percentages that support what the TS was relating to (didn't think Pac landed as many) & how it affects the perception/effectivenes/closeness of the performance. The comparison to Williams vs Lara isn't even close to the number of punches thrown (Williams threw 100% more than Lara & the diff landed is much higher 23% vs 2% or 3% for this fight).

Keep in mind these are just #s anyways & their reliability is fairly subjective (unless u watch in slo mo/3d/etc...). Ha!

Always a good idea to show the full picture if the info is readily available. Unfortunately I don't have the power yet to include the images.

Ponder away...

Sorry, I can't understand your point

[immortal tech]

Now tell us the punches landed stats, total and power if you please.

you never ever use compubox total punches landed to make any point and I mean ever

[D4thincarnation]

you never ever use compubox total punches landed to make any point and I mean ever

I understand the compubox figures, but what is the point he is trying to prove?

[Light_Speed]

And for Pacquiao vs Marquez.

Pacquiao 176 / 578 Total 117 / 274 Power

Marquez 138 / 436 Total 100 / 254 Power

I guess this is not helping your theory.

But the stats for the Pac/JMM rematch doesn't help your theory that this is all about who lands more.

Pacquiao 157 / 619 Total (25%) 114 / 305 Power (37%)

Marquez 172 / 511 Total (34%) 130 / 310 Power (42%)

Marquez landed more punches and more power punches than Pacquiao in the rematch. He also had a higher connect %. Lederman scored it 115-112 for Pacquiao so clearly it's not about who lands more punches.

[D4thincarnation]

But the stats for the Pac/JMM rematch doesn't help your theory that this is all about who lands more.

Pacquiao 157 / 619 Total (25%) 114 / 305 Power (37%)

Marquez 172 / 511 Total (34%) 130 / 310 Power (42%)

Marquez landed more punches and more power punches than Pacquiao in the rematch. He also had a higher connect %. Lederman scored it 115-112 for Pacquiao so clearly it's not about who lands more punches.

I've made no theory on this subject.

I know there is more to pro boxing than punches, thrown or landed.

[Light_Speed]

I've made no theory on this subject.

I know there is more to pro boxing than punches, thrown or landed.

But you still don't agree that HBO analysts contradict themselves?

[D4thincarnation]

But you still don't agree that HBO analysts contradict themselves?

How have they contradicted themselves?

[Boxingtech718v2]

I agree TS the HBO analyst were riding pac's di.ck all night long. It was disgusting and Lampley's Mexican comment was downright racist. Almost everybody in the Arena booed the decision. JMM won that fight.

[Light_Speed]

How have they contradicted themselves?

By favoring quality over quantity in one fight and quantity over quality in another.