Chavez vs. Tzsyu

[borikua]

This **** about "old fighter are always better than current fighters" is bull****...

[jayschre]

First of all i dont know if he would have beat Sweet Pea but i imagine he would have moved better and put forth a better effort. That wasnt a Prime Chavez.. he had grown bulky insted of slender and on his toes like in his PRIME. He had become the flat footed fighter people saw at the end of his career.

Yes he was in his prime against Taylor.. and yes look at what happened.. Taylor took one of the worst beatings ever to be taken by a boxer. Taylor was fast, skilled, and a mover. And he couldnt stop the offense unleashed by Chavez. He was winning because he was in condition to take all those punishing shots, and the stamina to throw 1000s of punches against a fighter who kept connecting flush to his head and body causing damage every time. Not once did Chavez look inferior to Taylor. That HBO legendary Nights **** they spew is Bull**** and easy to see by any true boxing fan who watches the tape. Chavez didnt slowly start getting to taylor... He was getting to taylor from the start.

Taylor and Sweet Pea had two totally different styles, Pernell was way better defensively and Taylor was more quick bursts of offence. And to what was said earlier Chavez imo was a good champion and a tuff s.o.b. but if you look closely at his resume he really didn't beat that many greats or even really recognizable opponents, Example(R. Mayweather he beat twice so did alot of other fighters including Tszyu, He beat Edwin Rosario who had already been fightng as a pro for 18 years, so kinda past his prime since that seems to be a big deal. He beat Meldrick Taylor (which I feel was his marquee victory) twice, but besides them I guess you could count Greg Haugen, Hector Camacho sr. who imo was severly overrated, but every other time he fought someone top tier he either lost or was the recipient of a bogus dec. ala sweet pea. DeLa Hoya dominated him twice, he fought to a draw with M. Angel Gonzalez(who K. Tszyu dominated), lost to Frankie Randall which imo is worse than losing to V. Phillips so whoever it was that said great fighters don't lose to phillips hopefully doesn't think Chavez is a great fighter!

[DLT]

Tszyu is not overrated he fought in the deepest era in the history of the division and dominated.

Guys like Whitaker and Taylor fight in completly different styles than a guy like Tszyu so you cant judge by that.

also saying someone struggled against those guys is no shame considering both are all time great talents and not exactly bums off the side of the street.

What do you mean he dominated in the deepest era of 140? There were no great fighters. The only good ones were Judah and Mitchell and like I said they haven beaten anyone. The division is much deeper now

[wissy]

Albeit pass his prime, the beating that Chavez took from Tsyzu was so one-sided that Kosta made it look effortless and did it without a huff or puff. It was the only fight in which i have seen Chavez fighting going backwards. His knew his could not overpower Tszyu and thus had to fight going backwards. I can't see anything different if he were in his prime other than it being more competitive and close. To say a prime Chavez gives Tszyu a beating is ludicrous. Since the only the time they have fought, it was Kosta getting the W.

This bs about past fighters beating current fighters is rubbish. Past fighters may have been bigger warriors due to them fighting for smaller purses and having to really fight for a living but man has evolved over the years to become faster and stronger. Just look at all athletic records and how times have gone lower and lower etc. They may throw less punchers, and fight less nowadays but they are more efficient and better defensively. I truly believe that they in all divisions apart from the sorry heavyweight division that all the current fighters could either match or beat those of the past.

[chingon28]

Chavez would have taken kosta in to the later rounds and his body work would have eventually ko's kosta.

[DLT]

Albeit pass his prime, the beating that Chavez took from Tsyzu was so one-sided that Kosta made it look effortless and did it without a huff or puff. It was the only fight in which i have seen Chavez fighting going backwards. His knew his could not overpower Tszyu and thus had to fight going backwards. I can't see anything different if he were in his prime other than it being more competitive and close. To say a prime Chavez gives Tszyu a beating is ludicrous. Since the only the time they have fought, it was Kosta getting the W.

This bs about past fighters beating current fighters is rubbish. Past fighters may have been bigger warriors due to them fighting for smaller purses and having to really fight for a living but man has evolved over the years to become faster and stronger. Just look at all athletic records and how times have gone lower and lower etc. They may throw less punchers, and fight less nowadays but they are more efficient and better defensively. I truly believe that they in all divisions apart from the sorry heavyweight division that all the current fighters could either match or beat those of the past.

How can you say that? Do you know how much a boxer can change when he's out of his prime? If you dont think that theirs that much of a difference then your crazy. Theirs been so many all time greats who have lost to C level fighters because they were out of their prime

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

Taylor and Sweet Pea had two totally different styles, Pernell was way better defensively and Taylor was more quick bursts of offence. And to what was said earlier Chavez imo was a good champion and a tuff s.o.b. but if you look closely at his resume he really didn't beat that many greats or even really recognizable opponents, Example(R. Mayweather he beat twice so did alot of other fighters including Tszyu, He beat Edwin Rosario who had already been fightng as a pro for 18 years, so kinda past his prime since that seems to be a big deal. He beat Meldrick Taylor (which I feel was his marquee victory) twice, but besides them I guess you could count Greg Haugen, Hector Camacho sr. who imo was severly overrated, but every other time he fought someone top tier he either lost or was the recipient of a bogus dec. ala sweet pea. DeLa Hoya dominated him twice, he fought to a draw with M. Angel Gonzalez(who K. Tszyu dominated), lost to Frankie Randall which imo is worse than losing to V. Phillips so whoever it was that said great fighters don't lose to phillips hopefully doesn't think Chavez is a great fighter!

I know they have completely different styles im replying to what he said because he said it like Chavez had trouble getting to Taylor or something.

And its funny you talk about prime but all the not so good marks you are talking about are when Chavez was passed his prime as well. Chavez's resume during his prime holds its own against any all time great.

You need to get some better facts, if Edwin Rosario had been fighting as a Pro for 18 years when he took the beating from Chavez does that mean Rosario became a pro at age 5 or 6?!? 4 of Edwin's last fights before he fought chavez he beat Juan Nazario, Livingston Bramble, and though he was robbed most agree he beat Hector Camacho when he was at his best. Rosario was definitely on the upswing with wins over marquee fighters.

Chavez also tkoed Mario Martinez who would later fight Azumah to a Split decision loss.

Yes other fighters defeated Mayweather, but unlike tszyu Chavez beat him when he was young and on the upswing. Then he beat him later just for the hell of it. He also has a win against Rocky Lockridge (first person to beat Mayweather and first person to KO him)

He also beat Jose Luis Ramirez which he didnt really wanna do because they were very close friends. JL Ramirez had just come off a Split decision win against sweat pea btw.

And like you Mentioned he faced Taylor, Rarely in Boxing do 2 GREAT champs meet both at their prime. Greats put on great performances against greats in the prime, and thats what chavez did.

Tszyu is a good Fighter but his resume cant hold a candle to Chavez's thats just the truth.

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

How can you say that? Do you know how much a boxer can change when he's out of his prime? If you dont think that theirs that much of a difference then your crazy. Theirs been so many all time greats who have lost to C level fighters because they were out of their prime

I agree .

[Moon]

Kostya prime vs. Chavez prime. If only the Gods could make it happen.

My pick is Chavez. Unlike the Cahvez soundly beaten by Kostya, the prime Chavez would have been moving forward and would not have been "standing" while Kostya unloaded. The prime Chavez would have been throwing whenever Kostya was trying to reset. Kostya is at his best when he's got a guy backing up and trying to counter. Chavez prime never did it that way.

Kostya is very hittable faced with Chavez's prime skills and prime chin, which would allow Chavez to keep coming to Kostya. I do not see Zoo putting Chavez down..

[jayschre]

alchohol can make math difficult so yes I was wrong Rosario was a pro for 8 years when they fought. But dude, to say that Juan Nazario was a marquee fighter and to pump up a win via stoppage from cuts against him is ludicris your talking about the same Nazario that in I believe his next fight after the loss to Rosario was KO'ed by featherfisted Sweet Pea in 1 that's right 1 frikin rd. And then come back only to be ko'ed in two rds. by some random dude . Hardly something that a "marquee" fighter does. I would however say that when he beat Livingston Bramble that he was about as good then as he ever was Iwill give you that one. But Camacho was never imo a really good or great fighter all he did was talk **** then run away and try to pot shot opponents to death he had no power at all and really only looked decent against mid-level comp. I just think that (and don't get me wrong I think that Chavez was a really good if not great champion) the one flaw that I have always seen with Chavez as well as Jose Luis Ramirez was that their records were padded by a ton of easy victories over club fighters in Mexico. So I think that Julio Ceasar Chavez was real good like I said but I just don't see him beating K. Tszyu at any point in either of their careers I just think Tszyu has too much power and accuracy overal for JCC.