Chavez vs. Tzsyu

[Ranger2408]

Chavez too was passed his prime when he faced whitaker. He didnt have the stamina or drive anymore. It was easily apparent as he simply stopped throwing punches even when whitaker was there for Chavez to go to work. He simply didnt wanna work anymore.

As for what would someone with comparable skills and superior power do to Chavez. Tszyu hasnt proved as much especially in the skills department. Chavez in his prime faced fighters who were supposed to have superior power or skills in his career and he always demonstrated an ability to be smart and skilled enough to a)Stay within a range at which is opponents power would not be as effective while allowing himself to work, B) Evade the shots with good head movement and punch blocking and effectively counter-punch, C) And just plain taking the shots and coming back with damaging shots of his own.

i think he was talking about de la hoya man

[davico]

His resume isnt that impressive to me. Everyone sweats him and I think he is a good fighter but he is overated. Like I said Mitchell, and Judah havent beat anyone. Especially Mitchell. Chaves was old when they faught and he cleaned out the division but it was nothing compared to what it is now. He hasnt beat any of the new guys. Urkal gave him alot of problems. The division now has Harris, Gatti, Mayweather, Hatton, and Cotto. His resume is overated

How is KT overrated? He has fought everyone that has been put in front of him and beat them all, including avenging his one loss! He has never ducked anyone and has ruled his division for nearly 10 years. You claim that all these fighters would have beat him in their primes. How often have the true greats fought each other in their primes? It is your opinion that KT is overrated! And every other person who has questioned KT has had there mouth shut by him including many of the so called experts of boxing.

Just because he don't talk himself up like the other myths in the game dose not mean he is overrated! Cotto anyone?

I'll back KT to take out any of the names you mentioned if they don't all duck him by asking for unrealistic deals or hiding behind their TV contracts.

[DLT]

How is KT overrated? He has fought everyone that has been put in front of him and beat them all, including avenging his one loss! He has never ducked anyone and has ruled his division for nearly 10 years. You claim that all these fighters would have beat him in their primes. How often have the true greats fought each other in their primes? It is your opinion that KT is overrated! And every other person who has questioned KT has had there mouth shut by him including many of the so called experts of boxing.

Just because he don't talk himself up like the other myths in the game dose not mean he is overrated! Cotto anyone?

I'll back KT to take out any of the names you mentioned if they don't all duck him by asking for unrealistic deals or hiding behind their TV contracts.

First of all Zoo didnt avenge his loss. All time greats dont lose to Phillips. He ruled the division but there were no great fighters their and the good ones may have been overrated based on their resume. If you heard me talk before then you know that I dont hype Cotto up like the rest. I think Zoo could have problems with Harris, Cotto, Gatti, or Hatton and I pick him to lose against Mayweather. Zoo had a many chances to move up in weight and fight Mosley, Oscar, Forrest, Mayorga, or Margarito and he never did. A great fighter wouldve moved up where the better comp is

[DLT]

What about roger mayweather? I guess he was a bum also

Roger was also older and that was a close fight

[DLT]

Chavez too was passed his prime when he faced whitaker. He didnt have the stamina or drive anymore. It was easily apparent as he simply stopped throwing punches even when whitaker was there for Chavez to go to work. He simply didnt wanna work anymore.

As for what would someone with comparable skills and superior power do to Chavez. Tszyu hasnt proved as much especially in the skills department. Chavez in his prime faced fighters who were supposed to have superior power or skills in his career and he always demonstrated an ability to be smart and skilled enough to a)Stay within a range at which is opponents power would not be as effective while allowing himself to work, B) Evade the shots with good head movement and punch blocking and effectively counter-punch, C) And just plain taking the shots and coming back with damaging shots of his own.

Chaves would have no chance against Sweet Pea no matter when they faught. He was still in his prime. He was in his prime against Taylor and look what happened so why do you think he wouldve beat Sweet Pea

[baya]

I think a prime Chaves wouldve knocked Zoo out but people need to stop all this **** about how the fighters in the past were better then today's because it's not true. Chaves wouldve still had problems with Zoo, Spinks, or Mayweather. He had problems with guys like Sweet Pea, and Taylor. Pryor was great but these guys arent unbeatable and he wouldve also had problems. Remember how good Sugar Shane was when he was in the lower divisions? He wouldve gave Chaves and Pryor problems. The same with a young Oscar. You think Chaves wouldve killed a much taller and faster Dlh? I got my money on Oscar and I dont even like him that much. Hagler, Hearns, and Leonard were great but they would still have problems with Hopkins, and Tito. and also dont let us forget how good Jones and Toney were. These guys could fight in any era and would be a tough match up. People have to stop talking about the old days because the guys weve had in the last decade can stack up with anyone. Guys like MAB, Morales, Pacman, Ricardo Lopez, and many more

i completely agree w/ everything you said here, homes.

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

Chaves would have no chance against Sweet Pea no matter when they faught. He was still in his prime. He was in his prime against Taylor and look what happened so why do you think he wouldve beat Sweet Pea

First of all i dont know if he would have beat Sweet Pea but i imagine he would have moved better and put forth a better effort. That wasnt a Prime Chavez.. he had grown bulky insted of slender and on his toes like in his PRIME. He had become the flat footed fighter people saw at the end of his career.

Yes he was in his prime against Taylor.. and yes look at what happened.. Taylor took one of the worst beatings ever to be taken by a boxer. Taylor was fast, skilled, and a mover. And he couldnt stop the offense unleashed by Chavez. He was winning because he was in condition to take all those punishing shots, and the stamina to throw 1000s of punches against a fighter who kept connecting flush to his head and body causing damage every time. Not once did Chavez look inferior to Taylor. That HBO legendary Nights **** they spew is Bull**** and easy to see by any true boxing fan who watches the tape. Chavez didnt slowly start getting to taylor... He was getting to taylor from the start.

[jayschre]

yea chavez would have problems but if u see that fight he caught zoo with some nice shots and it he was in his prime it wouldve had so much more of an impact and chavez would have capitalized on it.

Just remember what is said during almost every fight where one fighter is past his prime "power is the last thing to go" so I don't think the punches would have done more. But the amount of punches would have more effect on Tszyu, remember JCC was never a big puncher true he had decent power for his weight but he was so effective due to the number of punches he was able to land. If he and Kostya were to fight while both in their primes imo I think Tszyu would pull out a win, but I know for a fact that it would be an absolute war not to mention the fight would probably set some kind of record for punching accuracy since they both are so deadly accurate with their shots. I still say Tszyu by split dec.

[Sir_Jose]

Tszyu is not overrated he fought in the deepest era in the history of the division and dominated.

Guys like Whitaker and Taylor fight in completly different styles than a guy like Tszyu so you cant judge by that.

also saying someone struggled against those guys is no shame considering both are all time great talents and not exactly bums off the side of the street.

[pimpin2]

Zooooo

Kostya is no joke. I don't see why people doubt kostya. The man is always in tip top shape and his right hand is made of iron. He coulda competed and possibly beat those greats people have mentioned.