Comments Thread For: Marquez's Trainer: In 52 Years, The Worst Robbery Ever

[Fetta]

Well they were not of this magnitude a Lara vs Williams fight doesn't compare to a Pacquiao vs Marquez fight.

No they were not. This was the "P4P" 1 versus a guy he was supposed to run through to get the the other "P4P" 1 but JMM showed he isnt a stepping stone at this weight for Pac. This was robbery and a huge one for that fact right there. To much money involved and now PAc wont want to get in there and get beat up.

[uoykcuf]

For how big this fight was and legacy wise, I'd have to agree its one of the biggest robberies. Now of course Marquez didn't win all 12 rounds but thats not what Nacho is saying. Nacho is saying its as clear as day that Marquez won 8 or 8 + rounds against Manny and that should have been enough for his man to get the win.

The rounds that Marquez won, he won them clearly. While you have to try to look for rounds to give Pacquiao.

[ippo_miyata]

I'm not out to change your opinion. If you scored each round and saw that Juan Manuel Marquez was the winner, I respect that. However, if you just "felt" that Marquez won, if you forgot to score the fight round per round, we need to talk.

When judges score fights, context shouldn't matter. The best judges never favor champion over challenger or challenger over champion. They look beyond a fighter's record and history. No past. No future. Just the fight at hand. It's tough.

Different judges have different tastes. Some prefer aggressors; the ones who push the action and chase opponents all over the ring. Other judges focus on cleaner shots. Judges should also disregard continuity. What happens in round 5 shouldn't affect how judges score round 6. In reality, however, scoring a boxing match is not a perfect science. You already know that.

Just seconds after Manny Pacquiao defeated Juan Manuel Marquez, my Twitter timeline scorched with "Marquez was robbed" and "there is no way Pacquiao won that fight" type of posts. Though I expected some to score it for Marquez, the public outcry and robbery accusations caught me off guard. Actors, politicians, basketball players, singers, random guys, upset folk all tweeted and retweeted opinions. Messages were mostly against the decision. One quick-witted observer even remarked, "Like many legislative districts in the country, Marquez was robbed by a Filipino congressman."

The problem: a lot of fans who watched the fight were too emotional.

Many believed Marquez was a huge underdog. Hence, every time he connected with anything relevant, it seemed like he was achieving something important.

Many also expected Pacquiao to win by knockout. Thus, when Manny failed to floor Marquez, fans blamed Pacquiao for failing to deliver a KO.

Since Marquez had solid moments during the fight, since Pacquiao couldn't knock Marquez out, some fight fans believed Marquez should've been declared the winner.

I’ll use the first 6 rounds to drive home my point.

The first three rounds were close but, due to his aggression, Pacquiao was rewarded with all three in two of the scorecards while the third judge gave him two of the first three.

Rounds 4 and 5 were clearly Marquez-dominated rounds. He connected with left hooks, lead rights, and uppercuts in those two rounds.

By the start of round 6, observers who did not score it round by round might have assumed that Pacquiao was already behind. Multiple slow-motion replays demonstrating how Marquez tagged Pacquiao with head-shots surely fueled that impression. In reality, Pacquiao was still ahead by a round in two of the cards and only down by one in the remaining scorecard.

Pacquiao clearly won round 6. Therefore, Pacquiao was either up two rounds or tied with Marquez halfway through the fight. Yes, Marquez was brilliant in the fourth and fifth rounds. But since Marquez didn't do as well in the other rounds, he stilled trailed Pacquiao by the start of round 7.

The challenge: if you're still fuming over the majority decision, watch the fight again, turn the volume off, and score the fight round per round. We'll still have varying scores. But I assure you, doing this exercise will give you a clearer picture. It might convince you that Pacquiao indeed won or it may support your belief that Marquez deserved the nod. But I’m sure that if you break it down per round. You will see that it was a very close fight. But a robbery, ladies and gentlemen, this was not.

Pacquiao has been so dominant in the past that we have all been spoiled. Nothing but the total destruction of his opponents will suffice. This fight, more than anything, proves that Pacquiao is human, that he can look bad in some instances, that styles make fights. It was clearly not his best performance and it was far from the result that most of us expected. Fighting a close fight does not automatically make Pacquiao a loser.

Personally, I scored it 115-113 for Pacquiao. Yet a 115-113 result for Marquez was just as plausible. I would have been fine with a draw too. Again, if you scored it for Marquez, I don’t want to change your mind. Stick with your guns. What I want to change is the notion that Marquez was robbed. Close fights happen in boxing all the time. And in close fights, in the bitter reality boxing often provides, hearts are bound to be broken.

[brick wall]

jmm's camp is just making their case pathetic by issuing inaccurate and ridiculous statements like that.

[MrFynest]

Nacho is taking this overboard. Worst decision in 52 years? He didn't watch Lewis vs Holyfield, Whitaker vs Chaves, Williams vs Lara?

[bravocharly]

And it's now in the internet how in at least six times did Marquez left foot stepped on the right foot of Pacquiao. Once or twice could be accidental but six times is already deliberate. Stepping on the foot of your foe lessens his offense, he can't move forward and reduces the power of his punches. And defense, he can't move backwards to dodge your punches. Is this a case of a cheater crying robbery?

[Alpha & Omega]

Jesus how many excuses is Mannys camp going to make? Its leg cramps!! No no wait its, its JMM stepping on my foot!! No ok wait...no its Jinkee accusing me of cheating, yeah!! PATHETIC...Mannys stock is going down fast. JMM showed the world for a 3rd time (even more so this time) that Pac is just a product of careful matchmaking for his last 4-5 fights. People can't see how limited Pac's boxing skills are until hes in there with a genuine world class technician. That fight was ridiculous, Pac was not effective at all...all he did was duck and dodge, jump around as usual and throw 2-3 punch combos and usually all of them hit gloves. He looked so lost in there and clueless as to what to do...and he can't make adjustments. Put any of JMM/Pac's fights outside Vegas/US and not in the Phillipines and JMM would be 3-0 in the series.

[marvin douglas]

Biggest Robberies of all time:

Leonard v. Hagler

Holmes v. Spinks II

Hollyfield v. Lewis

Whitiker v. Chevas

Whitiker v. De La Hoya

Lara v. P. Williams

Macho v. Boom Boom

Trinidad v. De La Hoya

Any other?

[ippo_miyata]

Jesus how many excuses is Mannys camp going to make? Its leg cramps!! No no wait its, its JMM stepping on my foot!! No ok wait...no its Jinkee accusing me of cheating, yeah!! PATHETIC...Mannys stock is going down fast. JMM showed the world for a 3rd time (even more so this time) that Pac is just a product of careful matchmaking for his last 4-5 fights. People can't see how limited Pac's boxing skills are until hes in there with a genuine world class technician. That fight was ridiculous, Pac was not effective at all...all he did was duck and dodge, jump around as usual and throw 2-3 punch combos and usually all of them hit gloves. He looked so lost in there and clueless as to what to do...and he can't make adjustments. Put any of JMM/Pac's fights outside Vegas/US and not in the Phillipines and JMM would be 3-0 in the series.

Obviously, you got Floyd as your avatar, so it's all good. I know what you feel.

[-Kev-]

This year alone, there was a worse robbery than this...Lara vs Williams.


I thought Marquez won, but this is just emotions running high in Team Marquez's camp. They DID win, and I do feel that they WERE ROBBED, and so does a lot of other people. But this is not the worst robbery in the last 50 years.