Marquez did not win Pacquiao's title

[andotsky]

You don't know **** about boxing period. Marquez whooped his ass on saturday. All this challenger didnt beat champion **** is nonsense is propaganda fed to the clueless boxing fans so that any fight close/disputable in any way can be given to the fighter who is more popular/makes the most money for the sport.

Marquez won this fight clearly. Learn the ***ing sport of boxing and get off pacquiao's ****.

What a load of ****, The headbutts where due to manny rushing in sloppy and butting Marquez, but Juan didnt cry about that, the foot issue happens alot when southpaws fight orthodox fighters, if that were intentional your little video would have shown Marquez hitting him when he made contact with the foot which it doesnt.

and Marquez did initiate an attack he baited Manny in made him miss and countered its called being a counter puncher. you only get credit for aggression when its effective and Manny was not effective with his sloppy aggression

watch the fight again and see for yourself how marquez exploited the opportunity after an arguably "accidental footstop". at one point, he even stayed at the same posture instead of tranferring weights to deliver his combos just for manny to stay in a fixed...

[andotsky]

The swelling doesnt mean ****, most of the swelling on Marquez came from several clashes of heads when Manny came in sloppy and wild, in addition if you really believe in compubox your a joke, and lets just say the numbers are correct, you score based on CLEAN EFFECTIVE SHOTS, alot of times Mannys shots were partially blocked or hit gloves which looked like they made contact until you saw the replay and noticed that they didnt.

I dont think you were paying attention to the fight

I have always argued that if you are the champion,the challenger have to take the championship from you,BUT ,why that doesnt work with mayweather?he is a counter puncher too,and always wins.I really think marquez won,and if he didnt win, manny pacuiao didnt either..How can this guy compared this fight with mosley?I fell asleep on that one!!

no, the fight wasn't scored as to who the champion and who the challenger is. according to harold lederman as the fight unfolds, for close rounds, you have to use other bases for scoring like aggressiveness and ring generalship. now, lederman gave manny those close rounds because he found manny as the aggressor for those rounds... talking about punches that connected, marquez landed shots that mexicans thought connected... as we've repeatedly said, watch the replay.

[Everywhere]

I can't believe this foot stepping thing is really taking off...seriously, if that is your excuse for Pac-JMM III...Floyd has way more dirty moves in his arsenal than accidentally stepping on a foot...you're going to really cry then.

[The Boxing Gob]

The swelling doesnt mean ****, most of the swelling on Marquez came from several clashes of heads when Manny came in sloppy and wild, in addition if you really believe in compubox your a joke, and lets just say the numbers are correct, you score based on CLEAN EFFECTIVE SHOTS, alot of times Mannys shots were partially blocked or hit gloves which looked like they made contact until you saw the replay and noticed that they didnt.

I dont think you were paying attention to the fight

many of Marquez shots also hit Pacquiao's gloves and was blocked

[LeG00N]

tell harold lederman, emmanuel stewart, max kellerman and jim lampley that, you so-called "boxing-genius"...

They work for HBO......

HBO makes money from Pacquiao fighting and winning



It's really that simple

[Weebler I]

They work for HBO......

HBO makes money from Pacquiao fighting and winning



It's really that simple

I don't think it's even that. Imo they spent so much time building Pacquiao up as the likely winner before the fight they were too arrogant to admit they were wrong.

[straightleft]

Dudes, just STOP IT. Pacquiao got DESTROYED.

Did you watch the fight? Floyd destroyed Ortiz when he ****** punch Ortiz twice. Now that was a good example.

[fceeviper]

Since when did you have to be the aggressor to win a boxing match...

Rules on how to score a nevada state pro boxing match

Clean Punching

A clean punch is one that lands on a scoring area (face or side of head, not including the back of the head; the front and sides of the torso) with the knuckle portion of the glove. In amateur boxing, the scoring portion of the glove is white. Though a professional glove lacks such markings, the scoring portion of the glove is basically the same.

Clean punches will land flush, not glancing or partially blocked by one's opponent. "Slapping" or "backhanding" is not allowed.

Effective Aggressiveness

Effective aggression is demonstrated when a fighter presses forward, and in doing so, scores more clean punches, or more damaging blows, than his opponent. If a boxer is a particularly hard puncher, even blows that are not landed particularly clean, but obviously affect his opponent, are given scoring weight.

Ring Generalship

The ability to control the pace and style of a fight is ring generalship. For instance, a high volume-punching brawler will attempt to force a "stick and move" boxer into a slugfest. Conversely, the pure boxer will attempt to slow the pace of the fight by keeping his opponent at the end of his jab and use angles and feints in order to set up his heavier punches.

It is imperative that professional judges comprehend each fighter's respective style in order to understand who is controlling the action and demonstrating superior ring generalship.

Defense

Probably the most ignored, if not maligned, of the four judging criteria is defense. There have been boxers who were such defensive wizards, such as Willie Pep, or Pernell Whitaker, that it was virtually impossible for judges not to recognize their skill. It is said that Pep once won a round against Jackie Graves in 1946 without landing a single punch. In truth, the featherweight Pep landed a few jabs during that round, but such a story is remarkable only because it is so rare, as defense is so poorly appreciated.

Defense is the ability to avoid punshment. A boxer with greater reach than his opponent may stay on the outside and use his footwork to avoid punches--a style often frowned on by judges. One might stay inside and slip punches. Another option is to block an opponent's punches with one's gloves, arms and shoulders, or the highly skilled fighter may choose to use a combination of defensive techniques, depending on the situation.

In that order.

Manny's aggression was ineffective.Marquez's defense took away everything manny had for the majority of the fight. The compubox stats are an unofficial punch stat system which is not 100% accurate...(Any true fan who pays attention without listen to lampley and lederman mouth off know who landed more punches it was not close)


Learn the ***ing sport.

lawyered.

Meaning:
To pwn someone with evidence.

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Marshall: You really think that’s true?
Barney: Oh yea, I bet even Cro-Magnons used to give cave hookers, like, an extra fish for putting out.
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[SyrianUser]

Marquez took a page out of Shane Mosleys book and fought off the back foot all night long, he added 100s of Feints some illegal headbutts and let fly with both fists whenever Pacquiao came forward to initiate the action. Marquez DID NOT do enough to take Pacquiao's world title and the judges scoring was 100% correct. There was no-robbery no injustice done to Marquez as his failure to never initiate one single attack in the whole fight ment the judges correctly scored for the aggression of Pacquiao. i had taken odds of 11/1 a Marquez victory and i do not feel hard done by the decision. Marquez is a great fighter and one of the best counter-punchers of the last 50yrs yet in my opinion he has now lost all three fights against Pacquiao and does not deserve a fourth try.

******* exposed by himself

[4773Y350NM3]

i dont know what fights you guys saw but pac clearly landed more punches. you guys just surprise how pac look and automatically decided he lose the fight. pacman set a standard so high that if you cant k.o or dominate the opposing side, it meant a lose! what bullcrap!