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Marquez took a page out of Shane Mosleys book and fought off the back foot all night long, he added 100s of Feints some illegal headbutts and let fly with both fists whenever Pacquiao came forward to initiate the action. Marquez DID NOT do enough to take Pacquiao's world title and the judges scoring was 100% correct. There was no-robbery no injustice done to Marquez as his failure to never initiate one single attack in the whole fight ment the judges correctly scored for the aggression of Pacquiao. i had taken odds of 11/1 a Marquez victory and i do not feel hard done by the decision. Marquez is a great fighter and one of the best counter-punchers of the last 50yrs yet in my opinion he has now lost all three fights against Pacquiao and does not deserve a fourth try.
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You don't know **** about boxing period. Marquez whooped his ass on saturday. All this challenger didnt beat champion **** is nonsense is propaganda fed to the clueless boxing fans so that any fight close/disputable in any way can be given to the fighter who is more popular/makes the most money for the sport.
Marquez won this fight clearly. Learn the ***ing sport of boxing and get off pacquiao's ****. -
in what round did Marquez initiate an attack ? answer = none
in which rounds did Marquez press the action? answer = none
fighting off the backfoot going backwards all night does not score points or win world titles. your above reply tells me your in total agreement with my analysis of Marquez performance which is why you resorted to swearing and name calling. but dont get too dispondent buddy, your guy gave it his best but it was not good enough to take the other guy's title.Comment
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Since when did you have to be the aggressor to win a boxing match...
Rules on how to score a nevada state pro boxing match
Clean Punching
A clean punch is one that lands on a scoring area (face or side of head, not including the back of the head; the front and sides of the torso) with the knuckle portion of the glove. In amateur boxing, the scoring portion of the glove is white. Though a professional glove lacks such markings, the scoring portion of the glove is basically the same.
Clean punches will land flush, not glancing or partially blocked by one's opponent. "Slapping" or "backhanding" is not allowed.
Effective Aggressiveness
Effective aggression is demonstrated when a fighter presses forward, and in doing so, scores more clean punches, or more damaging blows, than his opponent. If a boxer is a particularly hard puncher, even blows that are not landed particularly clean, but obviously affect his opponent, are given scoring weight.
Ring Generalship
The ability to control the pace and style of a fight is ring generalship. For instance, a high volume-punching brawler will attempt to force a "stick and move" boxer into a slugfest. Conversely, the pure boxer will attempt to slow the pace of the fight by keeping his opponent at the end of his jab and use angles and feints in order to set up his heavier punches.
It is imperative that professional judges comprehend each fighter's respective style in order to understand who is controlling the action and demonstrating superior ring generalship.
Defense
Probably the most ignored, if not maligned, of the four judging criteria is defense. There have been boxers who were such defensive wizards, such as Willie Pep, or Pernell Whitaker, that it was virtually impossible for judges not to recognize their skill. It is said that Pep once won a round against Jackie Graves in 1946 without landing a single punch. In truth, the featherweight Pep landed a few jabs during that round, but such a story is remarkable only because it is so rare, as defense is so poorly appreciated.
Defense is the ability to avoid punshment. A boxer with greater reach than his opponent may stay on the outside and use his footwork to avoid punches--a style often frowned on by judges. One might stay inside and slip punches. Another option is to block an opponent's punches with one's gloves, arms and shoulders, or the highly skilled fighter may choose to use a combination of defensive techniques, depending on the situation.
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Manny's aggression was ineffective.Marquez's defense took away everything manny had for the majority of the fight. The compubox stats are an unofficial punch stat system which is not 100% accurate...(Any true fan who pays attention without listen to lampley and lederman mouth off know who landed more punches it was not close)
Learn the ***ing sport.Comment
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jmm did a great job stuffing pac's combos. he timed him perfect... but he also ate some unseen punches that people dont give pac credit for.
it was close. for the most part, pac's aggression wasnt as effective as it shouldve been... he was too reluctant.
whenever jmm initiated, he made solid contact on pac.
definitely tit for tat though....Comment
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Aggressiveness does factor in the scoring of boxing rounds, but for the most part Pacquiao did not display 'effective aggression'.
Judges should also look to reward fighters based on ring generalship, effective defense, counterpunching, accuracy. In these regards Marquez made Pacquiao look very ordinary.
The concussiveness of blows is another factor, Marquez landed the more eyecatching blows. Manny admitted in the post fight interview to have been hurt a couple of times. At no point did Marquez look troubled by Manny.
I've seen the compubox figures and can scarcely believe that they indicate that Manny connected with more blows. I'd like to think that those responsible for feeding the figures in were not counting blows that missed because to my eyes Marquez not only landed more blows over the 12 rounds but also displayed the better accuracy.
There are plenty of ring legends who won fights going backwards. The aggressor/guy going forward doesn't always deserve to win. John Ruiz came forward all night when he met Roy Jones, did he deserve the decision? No!! His aggression wasn't effective.
Ali, Ray Leonard, Herol Graham, Chris Eubank, Ray Robinson Willi Pep, Jersey Joe Walcott, Larry Holmes.......and more recently Wladimir Klitschko regularly won fights off the back foot.
Marquez deserved that win, the poll results on this forum indicate that only one in five think that Pacquiao deserved the verdict........and that considering all his fanatical followers (hell I'm a big fan myself) will have no doubt had quite a bias on his minority vote.
In a poll of objective boxing experts I'm sure that the vote for Marquez would even be wider.Comment
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Pacquiao did not go tit for tat with marquez. Pacquiao had a few moments where he landed good shots... im talking 2-3 rounds where he landed good shots... the rest of the rounds for the most part was marquez asserting ring generalship and outboxing manny with lead right hands/uppercuts/body shots/and counters. Marquez controlled this fight do not listen to hbo's biased bull ****.Comment
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