Pacquiao remains no. 1 pound for pound ... Barely

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • abdul-jakul
    Contender
    Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
    • Nov 2010
    • 207
    • 26
    • 0
    • 6,418

    #1

    Pacquiao remains no. 1 pound for pound ... Barely

    http://******.craveonline.com/blog/1...-pound--barely

    by Michael Rosenthal


    Who is No. 1 pound for pound?

    That question became particularly difficult to answer after Manny Pacquiao’s controversial majority-decision victory over Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday night in Las Vegas.

    The knee-jerk reaction was this: Pacquiao, No. 1 pound for pound, gave a sub-par performance (for him, at least) and should have to pay a price.

    No. 2 Floyd Mayweather Jr. was on Pacquiao’s heels going into Saturday, just waiting for a slip-up. And that’s what happened on Saturday. One could argue that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao atop the rankings, particularly because more people than ever believe he’d beat Pacquiao head to head.

    Another option we considered was to declare the No. 1 position vacant and demand that the principals fight one another to determine the pound-for-pound king, which would’ve been the easiest way to deal with this dilemma.

    In the end, though, we decided to leave the pound-for-pound rankings as is for one simple reason: All but one member of the Ratings Advisory Panel who provided input and the entire RING Editorial Board believed it was the right thing to do.

    Consider:

    Pacquiao wasn’t fighting a chump. Marquez is the No. 5 fighter in the world pound for pound. And Pacquiao beat him, at least officially.
    A great fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because another great fighter has his number. We didn’t think less of Muhammad Ali because he had trouble with Ken Norton three times. The same with Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler in their series.
    A fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because he has an off night, if that’s what it was on Saturday. Sergio Martinez didn’t look great against Darren Barker but no one clamored for him to be demoted.
    Pacquiao has accomplished more than Mayweather in recent years. The Filipino is 9-0 against big-name opponents since the beginning of 2008; Mayweather is 3-0 in that time.
    Mayweather isn’t exactly coming off a sterling performance. He looked good against Victor Ortiz for three-plus rounds but scored a knockout when Ortiz wasn’t looking.
    And you can’t say that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao because he defeated Marquez more easily. That doesn’t take into account styles and strengths. Plus, Pacquiao beat Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya more easily than Mayweather did.
    All that said, we also feel we should add something here: Pacquiao survives as THE RING’s No. 1 fighter by a hair. Should he stumble again or Mayweather turn in an outstanding performance, a new king probably would be crowned.

    And we still hold out hope that they’ll decide this once and for all by facing one another in the ring.

    One more note: Marquez moved up in weight yet still fought on at least even terms with the No. 1 fighter in the world, which might merit a bump up in the pound-for-pound ratings under certain circumstances. However, we couldn't justify placing him above Pacquiao, Mayweather, Sergio Martinez and Nonito Donaire, who don't deserve to be demoted.
  • Canelo Phresh
    LUCAS KO'S FLOYD
    Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
    • Jun 2010
    • 13714
    • 829
    • 1,353
    • 23,724

    #2
    they still let him hold the title damn.

    Comment

    • LeG00N
      All Time Great
      Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
      • Apr 2011
      • 20386
      • 1,081
      • 1,364
      • 25,738

      #3
      Originally posted by abdul-jakul

      One more note: Marquez moved up in weight yet still fought on at least even terms with the No. 1 fighter in the world, which might merit a bump up in the pound-for-pound ratings under certain circumstances. However, we couldn't justify placing him above Pacquiao, Mayweather, Sergio Martinez and Nonito Donaire, who don't deserve to be demoted.
      ........Marquez should've at LEAST been placed above Nonito and or Martinez.
      Pacquiao still should've been dropped down a couple places


      this is just politics.

      Goldenboy owns RM and they'll directly profit from a Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight.

      The fight will obviously sell more if Pacquiao and Mayweather are both #1 & #2 P4Ps
      Last edited by LeG00N; 11-15-2011, 06:13 AM.

      Comment

      • MJ223
        Undisputed Champion
        Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
        • Sep 2011
        • 4740
        • 686
        • 706
        • 12,520

        #4
        What is the criteria for the ratings system???

        Comment

        • Sugarj
          Undisputed Champion
          Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
          • Mar 2008
          • 3784
          • 187
          • 0
          • 20,883

          #5
          Originally posted by abdul-jakul
          http://******.craveonline.com/blog/1...-pound--barely

          by Michael Rosenthal


          Who is No. 1 pound for pound?

          That question became particularly difficult to answer after Manny Pacquiao’s controversial majority-decision victory over Juan Manuel Marquez on Saturday night in Las Vegas.

          The knee-jerk reaction was this: Pacquiao, No. 1 pound for pound, gave a sub-par performance (for him, at least) and should have to pay a price.

          No. 2 Floyd Mayweather Jr. was on Pacquiao’s heels going into Saturday, just waiting for a slip-up. And that’s what happened on Saturday. One could argue that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao atop the rankings, particularly because more people than ever believe he’d beat Pacquiao head to head.

          Another option we considered was to declare the No. 1 position vacant and demand that the principals fight one another to determine the pound-for-pound king, which would’ve been the easiest way to deal with this dilemma.

          In the end, though, we decided to leave the pound-for-pound rankings as is for one simple reason: All but one member of the Ratings Advisory Panel who provided input and the entire RING Editorial Board believed it was the right thing to do.

          Consider:

          Pacquiao wasn’t fighting a chump. Marquez is the No. 5 fighter in the world pound for pound. And Pacquiao beat him, at least officially.
          A great fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because another great fighter has his number. We didn’t think less of Muhammad Ali because he had trouble with Ken Norton three times. The same with Willie Pep and Sandy Saddler in their series.
          A fighter shouldn’t necessarily be demoted because he has an off night, if that’s what it was on Saturday. Sergio Martinez didn’t look great against Darren Barker but no one clamored for him to be demoted.
          Pacquiao has accomplished more than Mayweather in recent years. The Filipino is 9-0 against big-name opponents since the beginning of 2008; Mayweather is 3-0 in that time.
          Mayweather isn’t exactly coming off a sterling performance. He looked good against Victor Ortiz for three-plus rounds but scored a knockout when Ortiz wasn’t looking.
          And you can’t say that Mayweather should supplant Pacquiao because he defeated Marquez more easily. That doesn’t take into account styles and strengths. Plus, Pacquiao beat Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya more easily than Mayweather did.All that said, we also feel we should add something here: Pacquiao survives as THE RING’s No. 1 fighter by a hair. Should he stumble again or Mayweather turn in an outstanding performance, a new king probably would be crowned.

          And we still hold out hope that they’ll decide this once and for all by facing one another in the ring.

          One more note: Marquez moved up in weight yet still fought on at least even terms with the No. 1 fighter in the world, which might merit a bump up in the pound-for-pound ratings under certain circumstances. However, we couldn't justify placing him above Pacquiao, Mayweather, Sergio Martinez and Nonito Donaire, who don't deserve to be demoted.

          After they were softened up by Mayweather.......and each reduced a weight division below that which they fought Mayweather at!

          Comment

          • RichCCFC
            46-0
            Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
            • Dec 2007
            • 12846
            • 440
            • 132
            • 22,116

            #6
            Great choice, agree 100%

            Comment

            • jltsmae
              Undisputed Champion
              Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
              • Sep 2005
              • 1645
              • 18
              • 1
              • 7,995

              #7
              Originally posted by Sugarj
              After they were softened up by Mayweather.......and each reduced a weight division below that which they fought Mayweather at!
              just like floyd soften a 38 jmm that fought pac last saturday?

              Comment

              • Rapid Counter
                Undisputed Champion
                Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                • May 2011
                • 3164
                • 392
                • 724
                • 10,416

                #8
                The so called p4p king loses to a lightweight and stays on top? What a joke. And Marquez should have been moved up the rankings for sure.

                Comment

                • COVID-19
                  Banned
                  Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 13896
                  • 609
                  • 642
                  • 319,524

                  #9
                  Manny Vision!

                  Comment

                  • Sugarj
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 3784
                    • 187
                    • 0
                    • 20,883

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jltsmae
                    just like floyd soften a 38 jmm that fought pac last saturday?

                    Not every fighter is ruined by a loss. Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya were never quite as good again after facing Mayweather.........though in honesty I think losing too much weight was a factor in both guys performances against Pacquiao.

                    Marquez clearly is better than ever right now.

                    Comment

                    Working...
                    TOP