Comments Thread For: Pacquiao-Marquez in Play For April or June, Schaefer Livid

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I think it's honorable that Pac wants to fight Marquez again..I want to see Pac May as well,but what happen to JMM is not right and almost taints a May Pac fight any how...I want Pac and May to mix it up,but it's fair that JMM get's the shot at Pac he deserves it...

" Pac DEMANDING an immediate rematch " is proof that Pac knows that he lost..... he wants to set the record straight.

Now initially I thought that was great, that is exactly what was required in 2008, an immediate rematch, and I gave Manny props for doing so..... but just stop and think for a second, and lets deal with the facts.....

An immediate rematch is a terrible idea for Pacquiao, WTF ?

FACT: Pac could not beat a 38yo lightweight who was disadvantaged on the scales.

FACT: Pac will NEVER beat Marquez decisively, because he cannot, end of story.

I ask you this..... what could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch? Before you answer, consider this.....

* Marquez is now confident at the weight
* Marquez has had a real good look at the " new " Pacquiao, and he had no problems..... there were no surprises or secrets
* The better fighter will make the better adjustments, and the better fighter is Marquez
* Marquez now has bargaining power, and does not need to roll over at the negotiating table. He may even get the choice to fight in Mexico

What could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch?

Now, the following is not fact, nor even my opinion, these are just comments that I have heard from other posters that I am juggling around, as I try to rationalise why Pacquiao would risk his stock dropping even lower by taking on a guy who clearly has his number?

IF, Pac has been using enhancements, and IF, he is now preparing for Mayweather, and IF, he was clean for the fight against Marquez, because he thought that JMM was old, faded, and ineffective at welter, like everyone else did..... then is the adjustment that Manny OBVIOUSLY needs to make in order to effect a change in his fortunes, to juice up for the rematch?

I ask you again, if NOT steroids, then what change could Pacquiao possibly make that will enable him to finally get the Marquez monkey off his back once and for all?

Again, that was not fact, nor was it my opinion, and there are a lot of "if's" in that scenario..... but what the hell else can Manny do that will reverse his fortunes against a man who clearly has his number?

A better camp? Nope, that camp was the best ever according to Roach.

Better sparring partners? Good luck finding someone who will imitate Marquez well enough to condition Pac to his style.

Breakthrough adjustments in style? Come on, get real.

What could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch?

Has Pac thrown his toys out of the cot, because of the sheer number of Pacquiao fans who publicly stated that he lost the fight?

Is it..... "*** Mayweather, and *** Marquez, I gotta get this guy off my back if it kills me, I cant have this hanging over my head for the rest of my life, that little bastard will follow me to the Philippines again..... lets go back to what worked, and we will worry about Mayweather later"?

NOTE: The only facts in this post were clearly labeled accordingly, so consider that before you reply pacfans

FACT: Pac could not beat a 38yo lightweight who was disadvantaged on the scales.

FACT: Pac will NEVER beat Marquez decisively, because he cannot, end of story.

These are the questions.....

* What could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch?

* Why would he take such a risk against a guy who clearly has his number?

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The only thing us fans can do is boycott future fights of top rank spread the word people. If u wanna see the fights just stream the ****ing ****
**** BOB ARUM.

Absolutely man, great point.

There is one thing in the world that can force a Pac/May fight.

Pac's ready-made fanbase, and willing market for Bob's exhibition match's.

Unless Manny's fans demand it, it will not happen until Bob is ready to sell Manny out, just like he has done with every one of his cash-cow's.

But Manny wont take the test, and his fans dont think he should, they have allowed this to happen with their blind ignorant loyalty to Manny, which is absurd.

[SkillspayBills]

Deplorable, disgusting, unforgiveable. SMFH

[v.cassiusali@ya]

no need for a fourth fight...cry-baby boy marquez lost another opportunity to beat pacman...

marquez will remain passive and let pacquiao initiate...and cry like a baby again with a loss...

[Tamis!]

Faith - something you can't see.

What's the matter COACH?

[Boxingtech718v2]

" Pac DEMANDING an immediate rematch " is proof that Pac knows that he lost..... he wants to set the record straight.

Now initially I thought that was great, that is exactly what was required in 2008, an immediate rematch, and I gave Manny props for doing so..... but just stop and think for a second, and lets deal with the facts.....

An immediate rematch is a terrible idea for Pacquiao, WTF ?

FACT: Pac could not beat a 38yo lightweight who was disadvantaged on the scales.

FACT: Pac will NEVER beat Marquez decisively, because he cannot, end of story.

I ask you this..... what could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch? Before you answer, consider this.....

* Marquez is now confident at the weight
* Marquez has had a real good look at the " new " Pacquiao, and he had no problems..... there were no surprises or secrets
* The better fighter will make the better adjustments, and the better fighter is Marquez
* Marquez now has bargaining power, and does not need to roll over at the negotiating table. He may even get the choice to fight in Mexico

What could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch?

Now, the following is not fact, nor even my opinion, these are just comments that I have heard from other posters that I am juggling around, as I try to rationalise why Pacquiao would risk his stock dropping even lower by taking on a guy who clearly has his number?

IF, Pac has been using enhancements, and IF, he is now preparing for Mayweather, and IF, he was clean for the fight against Marquez, because he thought that JMM was old, faded, and ineffective at welter, like everyone else did..... then is the adjustment that Manny OBVIOUSLY needs to make in order to effect a change in his fortunes, to juice up for the rematch?

I ask you again, if NOT steroids, then what change could Pacquiao possibly make that will enable him to finally get the Marquez monkey off his back once and for all?

Again, that was not fact, nor was it my opinion, and there are a lot of "if's" in that scenario..... but what the hell else can Manny do that will reverse his fortunes against a man who clearly has his number?

A better camp? Nope, that camp was the best ever according to Roach.

Better sparring partners? Good luck finding someone who will imitate Marquez well enough to condition Pac to his style.

Breakthrough adjustments in style? Come on, get real.

What could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch?

Has Pac thrown his toys out of the cot, because of the sheer number of Pacquiao fans who publicly stated that he lost the fight?

Is it..... "*** Mayweather, and *** Marquez, I gotta get this guy off my back if it kills me, I cant have this hanging over my head for the rest of my life, that little bastard will follow me to the Philippines again..... lets go back to what worked, and we will worry about Mayweather later"?

NOTE: The only facts in this post were clearly labeled accordingly, so consider that before you reply pacfans

FACT: Pac could not beat a 38yo lightweight who was disadvantaged on the scales.

FACT: Pac will NEVER beat Marquez decisively, because he cannot, end of story.

These are the questions.....

* What could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch?

* Why would he take such a risk against a guy who clearly has his number?

They don't want to fight Mayweather that's why.

[V.WEBB]

Faith - something you can't see.

What's the matter COACH?

It's all good Tamis, you know that!

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They don't want to fight Mayweather that's why.

When they dont want to fight Mayweather, they fight a Clottey-type opponent..... so why would they willingly rematch a guy who CLEARLY has Pac's number, instead of another Josh "the punching bag" Clottey?

* What could possibly change, that would enable/allow Pac to perform better in a rematch?

* Why would he take such a risk against a guy who clearly has his number?

* Why not fight another Josh Clottey, and raise your stock because you looked terrific, and then move toward Mayweather?

* Why ?

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Arum didn't kill a thing....you guys need to get that out of your heads right now!!! Manny is a million PPV average fighter everytime he laces up the gloves. If he tells Bob he wants FMJ and no one else the fight will get made very quickly. Bottom line is that he is just following Bob's advice which is 100% sound and good advice and that's to avoid Floyd. Ellerbe had it right when he said they don't want it, especially Bob, as "we were with them, and he (Arum) knows what Floyd can do!"

You are 100% correct.

Manny allowed Arum to kill the fight and continue to protect him.

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And after Bradley the winner of Cotto/Margarito II.

Pacquiao fans...the truth shall set you free. They want NO parts of Floyd Mayweather Jr. FACT!

After the obligatory post fight interviews, etc..... what was Bob Arum's VERY FIRST ACT to plan the next step in Pacquiao's future?

It was to issue a statement through Weinburg that Mayweather was off the agenda

He is a very good promoter.

Manny " padded " Pacquiao, still hiding behind Arum's skirt.