Comments Thread For: NSAC's Kizer on Marquez's Drink, Thoughts on Judging

[Hallaqsillaq]

And Pac was the aggressor the whole night while Marquez waited to counter and even back peddled to avoid getting hit.. If your the challenger you take it to the champ not wait and counter.. No way was Pac schooled, their were good exchanges by both men.. Marquez should of been the aggressor in this fight in order to take the W..

You idiot, take off your damn Pacgoggles and watch your hero backpedal just as much whenever he was getting his butt whipped by Marquez' combos. Especially the beautiful two punch combos: body-head.

The one who was stopped in his tracks was Pac, he did not expect such a strong version of Marquez, especially one who was working the body so beautifully so early on.

[Hi-Dro]

Marquez clearly dominated Pacquiao. Controversy in terms of who was the better man that night should be non-existent, as Marquez clearly outboxed Pacquiao, and thoroughly beat him. Decisions like that make boxing look bad. We have seen some nasty ****, but this was the biggest stage, and the clearest in terms of the amount of people who witnessed it. However, Pacquiao generates millions of dollars not only for himself, but for a lot of people. Marquez was never going to intervene with the shady, yet blatantly real business side of boxing unless he ko'd Pac, which we knew was a long shot. ****k the higher powers of the sport.

This year has been filled with a lot of bull**** fights, decisions, and robberies. Yet, during these shady times warriors like Marquez, Morales, Maidana, Froch etc. put up, , and show how it's done in the ring without b1tching, and give us fans what we crave for and love.

[Fetta]

Ring generalship goes to Marquez. He controlled PAc and the pace of the fight. Pac was waiting for openinigs that never came in the mean time he was throwing quick little combos when he can get in till Marquez slipped out and continued to control fight with his counterpunching. Its called boxing not brawling and Marquez boxed his ears off. But some will say Marquez backpeddled well so did Mosley but PAc didint have a problem then with his explosiveness or speed. Its called counter punching and Marquez fought a brilliant fight in which he was robbed for the the superfight to take place. But Pac landed more ppunches. Yes he did land 30 something more punches while throwing 140 something more and landing at a lower percentage. Marquez won and some are just looking for excuses to say it was close when it really wasnt. But like i have said before this gift was given to Pac for the mayweather fight not a rematch. Unbiased eyes know who won this fight.

[IronDanHamza]

Its one thing to score the close round to the fighter that you want to win and another to give it to the other person who actually saw that fighter take that round..

I gave about 2-3 Rounds to Marquez 3-4 Were close rounds but like Kizer said, Judges will give the nod to the fighter moving forward bringing the action rather then the dude packpeddling tryin not to get knocked out..

Id agree, Pac didnt look as sensational as he did in the past but he did enough to win.. Everyone else who disagrees are just plain haters..

Pac brought the fight to Marquez while Marquez sat back and waited..

.... and consistently punched him in the face.

[IronDanHamza]

Since when is being the aggressor mean you win the fight?

It's a wonder that Willie Pep ever won a world title.

[The Gambler1981]

Since when is being the aggressor mean you win the fight?

It's a wonder that Willie Pep ever won a world title.

It was a couple years ago I think when the people that have watched Harold Lederman for years and years as a child just started scoring fights as he does.

Never understood why the aggressor got the benefit of the doubt, the better man is the better man no matter how he fights, if someone can't look past how a guy chooses to fight instead of actual effectiveness then they really should not score fights~

[Team Vitaminas]

Man , if you have to brain wash the audiance to understand how Pacquiao won that right there speaks for it's self. the truth is there are two types of judges,one who favor agression and ones who favor the sweet science.
it was obvious Arum had the agressive ones on the panel and that's how they robbed Marquez.those of you who are posting up pictures of the score cards are ****** to think they would write one thing and anounce another.those of you who say Pacquiao was the aressive one where right but, was it effective?after two fights we all know what a agressive ,effective Pacquiao can do,he put Marquez down? NO so was he effective ?NO all I know is Marquez fought his fight and Pacquiao didn't.that's also ring generalship but did the judges see that? I really hope Arum pays for this on his next fights,I have been sayin' this all along ,when TOP PRANK is involved you can never tell the outcome.

in other words, those judges where fixed from the day they anounced them.

[edgarg]

another fight? like is said earlier,jmm shouldn't take that fight,what for? he knows he won't get the decision,thats a fact,so whats left? a ko,which he isn't a strong fighter for that,which means he would have to be very agressive and leave himself wide open and that style would favor pac not marquez,therefore marquez would leave behind all that makes him beat pacquiao,thats why he shouldn't take a fourth fight,he would be forced to change his winning style to a losing one because he won't ever,ever get the decision.

Why shouldn't he take the fight, since he'd get a very good payday. Don't these guys fight for money?? And wouldn't he want to make it clear that he CAN beat Pacquiao?? I believe that Manny P just won 115-113. He certainly didn't lose, but because of all the high hopes that his fans had that he would beat up Marquez, he was dejected at his failure to do so. This in no way indicates that he thought he'd lost.

I'm curious as to the cause of his cramping in both this fight and the Mosley fight, where he had not the best performances.

All the same, I think it's about time that people should stop and THINK. Just a week or more ago this same Keith Kizer, the NSAC Commissioner for heaven's sake, said plainly and with no if's, buts' or maybe's, that when it came to the OST testing, already last year Arum, Golden Balls and Pacquiao fully agreed on it, but the ONE other neccessary agreement, that of Mayweather, was absent. Kizer was very clear about that. He said that Mayweather didn't even respond.

[edgarg]

Man , if you have to brain wash the audiance to understand how Pacquiao won that right there speaks for it's self. the truth is there are two types of judges,one who favor agression and ones who favor the sweet science.
it was obvious Arum had the agressive ones on the panel and that's how they robbed Marquez.those of you who are posting up pictures of the score cards are ****** to think they would write one thing and anounce another.those of you who say Pacquiao was the aressive one where right but, was it effective?after two fights we all know what a agressive ,effective Pacquiao can do,he put Marquez down? NO so was he effective ?NO all I know is Marquez fought his fight and Pacquiao didn't.that's also ring generalship but did the judges see that? I really hope Arum pays for this on his next fights,I have been sayin' this all along ,when TOP PRANK is involved you can never tell the outcome.

in other words, those judges where fixed from the day they anounced them.

I don't understand your "throw-away" Top Rank comment. Top Rank have been promoting some of the very best evening's fights of the past 40 years.The supporting fights on Sat were excellent, except for Casamayor which was already a given, and no one expected any more than it was.

Considering that there was a $25 rebate on a case of Tecate beer, there hasn't been such a boxing bargain for the last 10-15 years.

[komandante]

Marquez being the challenger should have done more instead Pacquiao the champion clearly carried the fight to Marquez and deserves the win. Case closed Pac by MD as confirmed by CompuBox.