Comments Thread For: Koncz Will Advise Pacquiao To Avoid a Fourth Fight

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Did you all see how Marquez cheated by stepping on Pacquaio's foot to make it a close fight see video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwAeQzMTXUY&sns=em

Who are these guys? Yesterday it was all "COMPUBOX says Pacquiao won!!!" and now I've seen this several times "Marquez's a cheater, he was stepping on Manny's foot" ... I mean what's coming up next? Marquez was using Powerthirst?

Manny wasn't good and Marquez showed great skills and surprised most of us ... About stepping on each other feet, they're orthodox against southpaw, if you've ever stepped into a boxing ring you know it happens all the time because you're moving your feet by instinct, not consciously, you already know where you need to place your feet to be in better position to attack and defend.

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Who are these guys? Yesterday it was all "COMPUBOX says Pacquiao won!!!" and now I've seen this several times "Marquez's a cheater, he was stepping on Manny's foot" ... I mean what's coming up next? Marquez was using Powerthirst?

Manny wasn't good and Marquez showed great skills and surprised most of us ... About stepping on each other feet, they're orthodox against southpaw, if you've ever stepped into a boxing ring you know it happens all the time because you're moving your feet by instinct, not consciously, you already know where you need to place your feet to be in better position to attack and defend.

Tell Mayweather the good news of stepping on southpaw feet, so he'll finally fight Pacquiao. Marquez didn't do it good enough.

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Tell Mayweather the good news of stepping on southpaw feet, so he'll finally fight Pacquiao. Marquez didn't do it good enough.

What sort of drugs you on , Manny and Arum will NOT fight Floyd they will duck him all the way , they both KNOW Floyd will own him , Manny looked like he seen a ghost when asked about fighting Floyd , what happened to we want Floyd so bad they talking about everybody else except fighting Floyd , lol Team Pac are such ducking bull****ters .

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paid the price?...did you not see jmm's face and pac's ...pac got cut due to headbutt and a bit of cut on the lip while juanmemo's face was swollen...

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for those of you that are screaming robbery or that jmm won, let’s break it down…
based on total punches landed, paquaio won 9 rounds to jmm ‘s 3 …that’s giving jmm the rounds that were even, rounds 3 and 9

based on jabs landed, pacquaio won 8 rounds to jmm’s 4….again, thats giving jmm the round that was even, round 8

the most effective punches, the power punches….
Based on power punches landed, pacquaio won 8 rounds to jmm’s 4….no even rounds there…

Yep, Pacquiao " paid the price " for not listening to Koncz.....

1.) Pac got beaten, the look on his face after that fight was hilarious. It was identical to the look on his face immediately after the second fight. Pac was a beaten man, he lost that fight, and he knows it.

2.) EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER BAR NONE, including Pacquiao's own stablemates Khan and Chavez, stated that Marquez won the fight.

3.) MOST pinoys both at the fight, and watching from home, have admitted that Marquez won the fight. Check out the Seckback video's that were taken immediately after the fight, check out the 6-7 current active threads, check out the comments from MOST ringside observers and experts.

****, check out these links just from TheRing alone.....

Majority of experts and fans disagree with Pacquiao-Marquez decision...
http:// ring tv .craveonline.com/blo...rquez-decision

Among 20 scribes, Marquez favored a dozen to one over Pacquiao...
http:// ring tv .craveonline.com/blog/170145-experts

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we know marquez is the greater fighter of the two.

Here is the funny part of your comment bro.....

Earlier, when *******s were stating that this fight will prove "once-and-for-all" who is the best fighter, I insisted that the fight will prove nothing, because it is 3 years and 3 weight divisions too late.

I was WRONG !!

That fight categorically proved who the better fighter is, no question

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I don't see how. There is disappointment in the fact that Manny didn't win convincingly like most predicted.

Among many pinoy fans..... " there is disappointment " because Manny didn't win at all.

I think it would be pointless as these guys are just made for each other. This is Barrera vs Marquez all over again.

I agree, but good luck convincing Arum.

BTW I want to apologize if you took my comments as being racist as I had no intentions for those to come off as such. I had no idea when you brought up kiwi that that was in reference to your ethnicity.

Thanks, and no problem.

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You don't see how? Let me break it down to you. Manny and his fans wanted the fight to silence Marquez and his claims that he won the first two fights especially with Marquez being so vocal about it with the all creative shirts he produced. Manny especially wanted to make a 'statement' aka shut him up once and for all.

All they did was produce the possibility of Marquez having to spend his hard earned money on producing more shirts saying 'I beat Pacquiao 3 times', perhaps with more colors this time - this time however you'll have more people buying it. Comprehende?

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Dear Juan Manuel Marquez,

First, congratulations on an excellent performance against Manny Pacquiao on November 12. You demonstrated that more than any other fighter, you have figured out the Pacquiao puzzle. You deserve great credit for that.

In your post fight interview you said you were robbed, and that you might retire. That’s understandable in the heat of the moment right after the fight, but after you’ve had a chance to reflect on it, I hope you will elect to continue. It is clear you have the skills and physical ability, and Bernard Hopkins has certainly taught us that 38 is not as old as we thought it was. Your performance against Manny reinforces that.

If you elect to continue fighting, and in particular if you elect to challenge Manny Pacquiao to a fourth fight, I would respectfully suggest that you need to be aware of some realities about judges scoring. Had you been more fully concious and accepting of them this time, you might have won the fight by pushing yourself harder in the later rounds when the fight still hung in the balance. True, by pushing yourself you would be exposing yourself to more risk — even to a possible knockout, but that is always the way of it when you are the challenger attempting to take the belt away from the champion.

The judges in Nevada are charged to look for a) clean, effective punching, b) effective aggression, c) ring generalship, and d) defense. A study of how US (and most other) judges score over the last 10 years shows that in a close fight, the judges almost always favor the fighter who presses the action and is perceived as the aggressor in the fight. Being the aggressor almost always generates a higher punch output, and even if the punches aren’t completely clean, the judges reward the attacking style which, even if it doesn’t result in clean punches, does expose the aggressor to greater risk than his opponent–something that the judges evidently feel should be rewarded. Your reliance on counterpunching, while it may produce cleaner landed shots, will always put you at a disadvantage with judges in a close fight if you rely heavily on the counterpunching style and do not act as the aggressor.

To state the equation very clearly: The very act of launching an attack against a composed, skillful opponent whose guard is up is a risky manuever which exposes the attacker. By taking that risk and launching that attack, the attacker gains favor in the eyes of the judges, and even if his punches don’t land as cleanly as your counterpunches, he gets credit for a) forcing the action and being the aggressor, b) taking the risk associated with attacking a skilled, waiting opponent.

In your first two fights with Manny Pacquiao, while you were oriented toward counterpunching, you also launched offensive attacks and in both of those fights you had a higher volume of punches that Pacquiao; a higher landed punch total; and a higher number of solid, compelling punches. But in those fights — he knocked you down four times. There is no doubt that if you had not been knocked down, you would have won both those fights because all of the other statistics were in your favor.

But this is not true of your most recent fight. In that fight Pacquiao had a higher volume of attacks; higher volume of punches; higher number of landed punches; higher number of landed powershots. Your counters were effective and in some cases dramatic — but by its very nature, your counterpunch oriented approach will impress the fans (and your trainer, evidently), but not the judges — at least it won’ t impress them enough to offset the advantages that Pacquiao is gaining from his constantly being the aggressor; constantly exposing himself to risk by launching attacks against a waiting opponent; and in doing so generating an overall impression that he’s moving forward while you’re moving backwards; he’s getting off more punches (hence taking more risk); he’s landing more punches even if they’re not as clean (after all he’s punching a waiting opponent, not an exposed one).

Also, if I may offer one other piece of advice. In each of these fights, your Hall of Fame trainer Mr. Berestain has repeatedly told you in the corner between rounds that you are winning the fight. By now, given your highly intelligent nature, you must realize that no matter what Mr. Berestain says, you must keep fighting as if you are not ahead. You are the challenger; the underdog; and you are using a counterpunching style that puts you at a disadvantage with judges. You must never assume you are ahead. In the fight on November 12, if you had gone into the “championship rounds” with the attitude that you must win these rounds, the outcome of the fight might have been different.

Sincerely,,

A Fight Fan who appreciates what you bring to the sport

You posted that silly comment here as well ?

Dude, Marquez learned that lesson over a decade ago against Norwood

He had that fight under control and was winning handily after the 9th round according to most observers. He dealt with the obvious incoming as Pac was desperate for a KO, and closed the show.

3-0.

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You don't see how? Let me break it down to you. Manny and his fans wanted the fight to silence Marquez and his claims that he won the first two fights especially with Marquez being so vocal about it with the all creative shirts he produced. Manny especially wanted to make a 'statement' aka shut him up once and for all.

All they did was produce the possibility of Marquez having to spend his hard earned money on producing more shirts saying 'I beat Pacquiao 3 times', perhaps with more colors this time - this time however you'll have more people buying it. Comprehende?

Bwahaha. Pwned that *******

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No point in a fourth... Pac can't beat him no matter what happens.

They will not rematch Marquez, no way.

" the better fighter will make the better adjustments "..... and that aint Pac.