Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Eyes Mayweather, Marquez Predicts a Struggle

[brauler1]

Floyd took Mosley's best power shots, hung on and still finished the round strong. Everybody said JMM was mismatch for Floyd which turned out to be true and people said the same thing for Pac but what we witnessed was Pac getting beat while Floyd sparred with JMM and won every round. JMM style will always bother Pac and that's why I believe the same JMM who fought Floyd would have made it tough for Manny. Floyd is the most accurate counter puncher in the sport with impeccable defense and speed. Manny ain't beating Mayweather and I think if Arum doesn't make the fight that no one would question Floyd about it because now everyone knows that Pac can't beat Mayweather.

Pac should have just fought Floyd after Cotto instead of trying to out do and be bigger than him in the sport. Arum's hate for Floyd hurt Pac's career because if Pac lost to Mayweather then it would be like props win or lose for taking the fight but since he got beat by JMM and the gift. It made his value as a top fighter stock go down dramatically because mostly everyone thought Pac would breeze through JMM except die hard boxing fans who knows styles. Pac got exposed and being that Floyd is clearly a more dominate fighter than JMM. There's no way if that fight gets made that Pac gets any props as a favorite at beating Mayweather. Arum is ready to put Pac in with JMM again and have him look worse because the same will happen if not worst because JMM studied Manny and corrected his mistakes while Manny used the same game plan and got neutralized.

When I say not full proof, I mean Floyd can get hurt. Zab did it, Sugar did it so Manny has a chance. You're correct in saying that Floyd survived Shane's punches but Shane all of a sudden became gun-shy after that round. Credit Floyd for coming back though. And as I said Mayweather will win a UD against Manny. But I won't under estimate the punching power of Manny cause he's got a chance. Im niether a Pacquaio nor a Mayweather die-hard so I'm analyzing this based on their strengths and weaknesses. Let's not be basing this on the last fights alone because boxing has 12 rounds, and things can happen in a wink of an eye. Hope we get to see this fight!

[v.cassiusali@ya]

those who believe marquez won should have go over the compubox stats and see for themselves that the decision was right, fair and just...

stats don't lie...

no doubt manny pacquiao wins...

[BoZz]

Hey floyd if you want to find manny...there is two places you need to look..that's arums ass and if he's not there look behind the compu box the chump is probably hiding there

[BoZz]

I have the best sigs shhsahsahashashahahahhha

[EAAE]

those who believe marquez won should have go over the compubox stats and see for themselves that the decision was right, fair and just...

stats don't lie...

no doubt manny pacquiao wins...

come on man, enough with the compubox bull****, based on that alone, Marquez won the first 2 fights, be real will u, that thing is flawed in so many ways, how can it calculate effective punches, what if most Pacs punches landed in 2 of the rounds and did little in the rest? its not an accurate way to judge a fight, u score a fight round by round, the reason that the whole compubox crap is being mentioned so much is because thats all pac has, he knows he didnt win the fight for Gods sake, besides if arum can influence the judges and the commentators why the hell cant he pull some more BS out his a$$, i saw Marquez landing more punches, if compubox is accurate then they were not significant punches that pac was landing. watch the fight again and f#ck compubox off.

[bluetuazon]

Dear Juan Manuel Marquez,

First, congratulations on an excellent performance against Manny Pacquiao on November 12. You demonstrated that more than any other fighter, you have figured out the Pacquiao puzzle. You deserve great credit for that.

In your post fight interview you said you were robbed, and that you might retire. That’s understandable in the heat of the moment right after the fight, but after you’ve had a chance to reflect on it, I hope you will elect to continue. It is clear you have the skills and physical ability, and Bernard Hopkins has certainly taught us that 38 is not as old as we thought it was. Your performance against Manny reinforces that.

If you elect to continue fighting, and in particular if you elect to challenge Manny Pacquiao to a fourth fight, I would respectfully suggest that you need to be aware of some realities about judges scoring. Had you been more fully concious and accepting of them this time, you might have won the fight by pushing yourself harder in the later rounds when the fight still hung in the balance. True, by pushing yourself you would be exposing yourself to more risk — even to a possible knockout, but that is always the way of it when you are the challenger attempting to take the belt away from the champion.

The judges in Nevada are charged to look for a) clean, effective punching, b) effective aggression, c) ring generalship, and d) defense. A study of how US (and most other) judges score over the last 10 years shows that in a close fight, the judges almost always favor the fighter who presses the action and is perceived as the aggressor in the fight. Being the aggressor almost always generates a higher punch output, and even if the punches aren’t completely clean, the judges reward the attacking style which, even if it doesn’t result in clean punches, does expose the aggressor to greater risk than his opponent–something that the judges evidently feel should be rewarded. Your reliance on counterpunching, while it may produce cleaner landed shots, will always put you at a disadvantage with judges in a close fight if you rely heavily on the counterpunching style and do not act as the aggressor.

To state the equation very clearly: The very act of launching an attack against a composed, skillful opponent whose guard is up is a risky manuever which exposes the attacker. By taking that risk and launching that attack, the attacker gains favor in the eyes of the judges, and even if his punches don’t land as cleanly as your counterpunches, he gets credit for a) forcing the action and being the aggressor, b) taking the risk associated with attacking a skilled, waiting opponent.

In your first two fights with Manny Pacquiao, while you were oriented toward counterpunching, you also launched offensive attacks and in both of those fights you had a higher volume of punches that Pacquiao; a higher landed punch total; and a higher number of solid, compelling punches. But in those fights — he knocked you down four times. There is no doubt that if you had not been knocked down, you would have won both those fights because all of the other statistics were in your favor.

But this is not true of your most recent fight. In that fight Pacquiao had a higher volume of attacks; higher volume of punches; higher number of landed punches; higher number of landed powershots. Your counters were effective and in some cases dramatic — but by its very nature, your counterpunch oriented approach will impress the fans (and your trainer, evidently), but not the judges — at least it won’ t impress them enough to offset the advantages that Pacquiao is gaining from his constantly being the aggressor; constantly exposing himself to risk by launching attacks against a waiting opponent; and in doing so generating an overall impression that he’s moving forward while you’re moving backwards; he’s getting off more punches (hence taking more risk); he’s landing more punches even if they’re not as clean (after all he’s punching a waiting opponent, not an exposed one).

Also, if I may offer one other piece of advice. In each of these fights, your Hall of Fame trainer Mr. Berestain has repeatedly told you in the corner between rounds that you are winning the fight. By now, given your highly intelligent nature, you must realize that no matter what Mr. Berestain says, you must keep fighting as if you are not ahead. You are the challenger; the underdog; and you are using a counterpunching style that puts you at a disadvantage with judges. You must never assume you are ahead. In the fight on November 12, if you had gone into the “championship rounds” with the attitude that you must win these rounds, the outcome of the fight might have been different.

Sincerely,,

A Fight Fan who appreciates what you bring to the sport

[Mr. Philadel]

@ the Pac fans.....yall HAVE to take this as a "L" and keep it moving....don't try to defend this....Manny didn't stop Shane and yall screamed "Shane's fault" because he didn't stand there and let Manny hit him lmao.....then leg cramps lol....NOW you dudes are compu-boxing the board to death lmao.....its cool to hold Manny higher than Floyd because he stopped gay ass Hoya and Floyd didnt...because he got rid of Hatton faster....and he was able to drop Shane without getting rocked.....then yall swich logics when the suit doesn't make yall god look good any more lol.....at the end of the day, Floyd took 2 years off and came back and did something on the first try that Manny couldn't do in 3.....beat JMM decisively!!!.....Arum be saling yall bs and yall buy it...then come on here and try to feed it to ppl who don't buy bs cause we know the prices...and we dont eat anything anybody feeds us....I'm on my grown man **** and I won't let no Joe Knucklehead try to tell me I didn't see what I saw

Floyd beats Manny up....and dudes know I had this a toss up fight from day one....after the Mosley and Marquez fights....I don't see Manny having a chance to solve Floyd's style....not even jocking Floyd....but its looking like its gonna be EASY work imo

[throbk1974]

Make the fight!! Get ahold of Floyd Jr.. He was probably watching the fight, while spooning with 50cent.

[PACsmash]

I dont know why these people is writing pac off just becaue he had one tough fight with a guy that he had a history with and is known to give him problem. Before saturday night everyone was writing marquez off saying if manny win then it wont mean anything, now that marquez gave manny a tough fight the same people is saying manny stands no chance against floyd?

So are u guys saying floyd will fight like marquez? Are u guys basing off how floyd will do with pac against fighters they both had fought? I thought doing this is pointless because u guys left out oscar hatton and mosley. 3 guys floyd and pac beat but pac dominated them just like how floyd dominated marquez. So based off this logic floyd will get dominated by pac then?

Last thing i want to say is marquez fought manny for 5mil and made manny look like an ordirnary fighter when all the *****s was saying manny is juicing. Now floyd is suppose to be on a whole another level compare to pac and marquez, floyd had his chance to make pac look like an amatuer for 50mil, but why didnt he do it? hmmmmmm.....

[GoogleMe]

Lol, bring it on Mayweather by wide UD