Pacquiao/Marquez Post Fight Discussion- Please re-vote in the poll. .

[pvenditto88]

Mr opal you are spot on i did not see pacquiao land more punches than marquez either. Bias fans are pathetic grow a pair of onions and speak the truth.

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Fact is, Sweet Science almost always loses in a close fight when you are the challenger. Think about it.

Yeah I know, corruption makes everything better right *******?

[Mr.0pal]

Iv'e said this many times before. Compubox is an amatuer scoring system that tallies punches landed. Often it's a great indicator of how a fight played out, and other times it isn't.

It tallies any punch that isn't a jab as a power punch, but doesn't take into consideration how hard, cleanly or accurately a punch is landed, ring generalship, or defense, all which play a role in pro judging. Many pro judges simply tally landed punches (the ones they see land anyway), which is why we get so many poor decisions.

Say a fighter lands 10 power shots in a round according to compubox, but the opponent isn't hurt or fazed by the punches, and they return fire with a five power punch combo, which staggers the other fighter and clearly hurts them. In this instance compubox would score for the guy who techniclly landed five more shots with no consideration to the quality of the shots landed and the damage they did.

As i said, sometimes it is indicative of what played out. For example we can use two Floyd fights to illustrate this point. In the FMJ vs JMM fight the numbers showed total offensive and defensive dominance from Mayweather, and that's what actually happened. IF you watch FMJ vs Jesus Chavez (a while back i know) the compubox numbers are basically even, yet Chavez' corner stopped the fight (in the eight i believe) and no one would have called that fight close, because all the shots Floyd landed were accurate and clean. Compubox does not consider this.

Well said. Very good point.

[Boxingtech718v2]

Anybody know who's alt this is?

[sapak]

This thread about not about the judges decision. That's an entirely different topic with a different dynamic of points. This thread is about compubox results and reliability.

Compubox doesn't have to be reliable as it doesn't affect the official results. It's a sort of an estimator with a certain level of significance and margin of error.

[jkaisen41]

And he said he'll go for the KO. i was expecting toe to toe fight. instead i see a "mayweather style" running marathon. Pacquaio keep chasing him. He deserved to lose. even emmanuel steward thinks he didnt do enough to take the belt

And do you also asked Steward what Manny did to win? Just showing up and looking like an amateur for 12 rounds?

It's funny though - the Pacquiao that I used to know was a guy who let it all out - a warrior would say (ain't he promised he would give it all and ko Marquez this time around - I had the feeling Pacquiao promised it too - just a feeling though) the only one who looked like he wanted to fight from about the 8th or 9th round on was Marquez - Pacquiao not even tried to... he was outclassed in a viscious way...

[brick wall]

i don't see where the robbery that people are bringing up is coming from...there's no robbery at all. it's a very close fight with a lot of very close rounds but i don't blame the judges for giving those close rounds to pac. i think it's a unwritten rule in judging a boxing bout...in a close or even round you give it to the fighter who took the initiative and took more risk. in other words, you get points for initiating the action but you don't get anything for being extra cautious and defensive. that's the story of this fight and their 2 previous fight. pac took most of the initiatives to the point of getting too predictable and jmm setting up counter traps.

[Mr.0pal]

Compubox doesn't have to be reliable as it doesn't affect the official results. It's a sort of an estimator with a certain level of significance and margin of error.

I'm not debating the official results. This thread is in response to all the people who bring up compubox stats. Do you understand?

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Landslide poll. Not even close.

[You a busta CJ]

Keep this on the front page for all the *******s who keep saying "******ed wanna be judges" when they can clearly see even REAL LIFE BOXERS said Marquez was robbed