Comments Thread For: Roach Rips Ellerbe: All Mayweather Has To Do is Sign!

[x3_bazooka_x3]

They agree to catchweights because they want a payday. The only person who benifits from catchweights is Manny. Going into the fights Manny is 100% while his opponents are not due to trying to make weight. Win/Win for miss pacman.

Then how is that Mannys fault? they dont have to sign the fight if you want a shot at the man he has earned the right to negotiate on every level.

[x3_bazooka_x3]

..... just like I do with Pacquiao.

How so, Because Floyd is demanding test that are not required? Manny has never tested positive for steroids.... and just because he hasnt agreed to testing that doesnt make him automatically guilty of using that just means as the man of the sport, he is the one who is going to dictate not Mayweather who has retired to avoid the best in his division

[champ_kw]

This is just ******. I come from a family that has produced more than one professional and some very good amateur boxers. Ali was revered in my family (and still is). However, you won't find a single Floyd fan amongst them. Everybody respects Floyd's boxing skill. He has a lot of talent. But there is more to being a "fan" of a boxer than recognizing they are skilled.
Here is why nobody can stand Mayweather: He has studiously avoided fighting the best at 147. He fought almost everybody at the lower weights, then fought handpick opponents that he knew he could beat once he got to 147. That is cheating the fan who want to see the best vs. the best. Floyd doesn't care to see the best competition (how else can you explain his decision to fight guys like Hatton (who had just won a BS decision against Luis Collazo and swore he'd never fight at 147 again), Carlos Baldomir (a club fighter at best--but he did have a belt (the Mayweather apologist says)), and Sharmba Mitchell (who was coming off a knockout loss to Kosta Tszyu at a lower weight class). His bush league actions (sucker punching Gatti and then Ortiz) haven't helped. Name another "all-time great" that has ever resorted to such bull**** especially in fights against overmatched opponents. You won't be able to because great fighters don't do that bs. Granted, Ortiz was dirty too, but what about Gatti? And, doesn't anybody believe Mayweather needed to sucker punch Ortiz to win? Hell no. If he didn't, why sucker punch him? I personally felt it was the equivalent of stealing money from my pocket (the money I spent on that farce of a PPV).

You're reacting emotional and unlike someone who grew up around boxers. I want to know what is it about Cotto and Margarito that make people classify them as "legacy makers"? Is it because Arum said so? You actually discredit Floyd for seeking a fight at a higher weight with Oscar than fighting Margarito who was 3 fights removed from ESPN and losing his showcase fight against Paul Williams? You're mad cause Floyd took the "normal" route of acclimating himself to a new weight class by fighting a legit south paw in Sharmba Mitchell? Look at most of the fighters that you think are about something around that class, and most or some have Sharmba on their ledger too. But it's wrong when Floyd does? Hatton was an international attraction, why not fight an undefeated Brit with an amazing fanbase? I guess we should crap on Barrerra for fighting Prince since he was obviously flawed and nobody cared to acknowledge it until after the fact ala Hatton. Clottey?? The same Clottey that was fighting Chico in his last fight, RIP, in the mega city of....wait for it....Springfield, Missouri? Get outta here! Your mad cause Floyd is maxamizing his business as well as fighting...Atlantic City attraction Gatti, Baldomir who threw a wrench in the Zab plans, Zab, Oscar at 154, international attraction and undefeated Hatton, #2 p4p JMM who has more won rounds over Pac in their 2 fights, Shane Mosley, and Victor Ortiz. That's not a bs resume like you're trying to make it out to be. I can find a post about each one of those guys giving Floyd a fight prior to the match on here. They didn't become "garbage" until Floyd made them look like they didn't belong in the ring with him.

And miss me with the sucker punch crap. Let me guess...Foreman should've stopped hitting Frazier when it was obvious he was running from him too, huh? It's boxing. Keep all that friendly "unwritten" rule crap to yourself. THE RULE in boxing is protect yourself at all times, not some made up pleasantries. Maybe if your "boxing" family taught you a thing or two, you wouldn't be on a boxing forum discounting actual skill sets in exchange for dissecting why you don't someone you don't know on an emotional level.

[LeadUppercut]

So, you admit that he doesn't give fans what they want and then say only losers would not be a fan of his? That is idiotic. Real boxing fans are pissed because he won't make the best fights out their and he does unsportsmanlike things in the ring. Those are legitimate gripes and great reasons to not be a fan of his. Even before that, I wasn't a fan of his because his are boring. He's a safety first guy (in the ring and in matchmaking). He makes shell fighters like Joshua Clottey look exciting. I appreciate the technical aspects of what he's doing, but that is about it. Because of the way he handpicks opponents anymore, watching a Mayweather fight is like watching a Harlem Globetrotter game. You think the Washington Generals will pull this one out? That's not sport. Its called an exhibition.

Just to point out.....

Pacquiao is fighting his 8th CONSECUTIVE exhibition match (Bob Arum has publicly confirmed that fact), during Mayweather's welterweight campaign he has faced 2x #1's, and 1x #2, and 1x #3..... Pacquiao has never fought anyone ranked higher than #4, and he blatantly ducked Mosley (twice), Ortiz, as well as ducking Cotto at 147.

Also, if Mayweather is cherry-picking, then what is Pacquiao doing by fighting worse versions of his leftovers?

[BillyBoxing]

It's hard to imagine a true boxing fan not being a fan of Mayweather, he's arguably the best boxer that we have seen in a long time. His boxing skills are unquestioned. On the other hand, it's not hard to imagine a childish immature "fan" who puts more stock in the drama-side of boxing than what actually goes on in the ring not being a Mayweather fan. Those types didn't like Clay/Ali either, until he was debilitated.Exactly. If you're a true fan of the sport then how could you not be a Mayweather fan? How could you not have the ultimate appreciation for what he does inside the ring?

I will never be fan of a prick, even if he's a boxing god.

Mayweather's personnality is just horrible.


Like many people I can'stand that dude, I'm sorry bro, I can't. And it's not related to his skin color, bank account or success. Just his personality, who in my humble is just garbage. I like nice people and Mayweather seems to be the opposite (trashing his father on TV without any kind of pitty) HO and I know, I don't know him personnaly, and HELL I thank god for that.

I don't buy the acting villain stuff..

[GRUSTLER]

I agree Pac did not look good....


But he did win every round and ***ed up Mosley more then Floyd did.. and Floyd look great..


are you denying this?

No I'm not denying that Pac gave Mosley a lumpier face but Richardson wanted to stop Floyd from beating Mosley and not Pac. Plus, Mosley was done before he even got in the ring with Manny. Shane was on his way out against both but there is or should be no denying that Floyd got the better Shane. Or what was left. If you really want me to give Pac more credit for his win over Mosley than Floyd. Pac would have had to fight and beat Mosley back in 09 when the fight was supposed to happen.

[GRUSTLER]

First, stop fantasizing about Pac's ****. I know it's hard for you. Pun intended.

Next, you discounted the layoff with Mosley. And about the training camps, it appears you probably don't exercise often and take care of your diet due to your reactions. Mosley thinks he can get away from eating junk food while on and off training.

You say Berto and Pac, so why not Berto and Mayweather, especially with Mayweather being his own boss and make the fight happen sometime during the year? Confusing yourself I see. I guess Floyd rubs off some of his BS to his minions. Mayweather-Berto would've been easier to make considering they're both affiliated with Al Haymon. Pacquiao-Berto would've been much harder to make considering the Al Haymon factor with Arum AND what Berto brings to the table.

You discounted Floyd beating shane up and then Mosley looking horrible against Sergio Mora. Pac had NO business fighting Shane at that point. I'm glad Shane got paid but everyone already knew Shane was officially done by the time Pac got to him.

[Bear06]

Freddie Roach is a Beast he talks the truth!

[GRUSTLER]

Did shane undergo any type of additional random testing for that fight? and is Shane a known steroid user? you can question just about every win on Mosleys record at this stage same with Jones Jr and with Toney.


and its those opponents who agree to the catch weight during negotiations so if they sign the contract that eliminates any and all excuses

Yeah, true indeed prior but you can't with Floyd but you can with Pac.

[LeadUppercut]

How so, Because Floyd is demanding test that are not required? Manny has never tested positive for steroids.... and just because he hasnt agreed to testing that doesnt make him automatically guilty of using that just means as the man of the sport, he is the one who is going to dictate not Mayweather who has retired to avoid the best in his division

WRONG !!

Currently, in amateur competition, if you avoid or obstruct the testing process, then you are IMMEDIATELY stripped, banned, and labeled a steroid cheat.

I dont give a fkn that OSDT's are not mandatory in pro boxing, the exact same common-sense principle applies because, BLOOD TESTS ARE COMPLETELY HARMLESS !!

It is not just the fact that Pacquiao refused random blood tests and then cited 8 ridiculous excuses to justify his actions. It is.....

1.) the fact that he gained 13lbs of muscle in 9 months and ripped through 3 divisions, all the while increasing his speed and power

2.) his recorded weight gain is the second highest in boxing history, second only to a guy who finished at HEAVYWEIGHT and who used steroids to get there..... and he is second by only 1lb

3.) he refused random blood testing

4.) he cited 8 ridiculous excuses, which is absurd, the only reason why Pacquiao required 8 ridiculous excuses is because none of them were genuine. We needed 1 reason, not 8 excuses.

Pacquiao's entire resume since Diaz is questionable, in the EXACT same fashion that you choose to question Mosley, Jones, and Toney.

NOTE: It would be ABSURD for you to argue with me about this, seeing that the guy who I referred to in point #2 above, is your buddy Mr Roy Jones Jnr