I think freddie roach is overrated

[nachorjj]

can be, but what really helps is that in his gym are the best fighters, then sparring assignments are good and help a lot for fights

[-Hyperion-]

roach doesn't make champions, no one can. But roach makes his boxers better.

linares was fading fast, it's ariza's job to get linares into condition.

lol....are you really blaming ariza? if youve seen linares fight before, you'd know his stamina in this fight was 5 times better than ever......ariza didn't tell linares to go and fight it out when he was well up on the scorecards, it was roach who did that