I think freddie roach is overrated

**DrewWoodside** · 10-20-2011, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by Paclan

The only fighters he has that win(Pacquiao and Khan) would be champions without him anyway, no matter what trainer they have.

Other than that his fighters ALWAYS lose lol... if it's not pacquiao or khan, and you see roach in the corner, you can pretty much safely bet he's gonna lose.

The trainers with the best track record are easily Robert Garcia and Emmanuel Steward.

Yes, neither of these guys have had fighters lose. Strong assessment.

**Paclan** · 10-20-2011, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by DrewWoodside

Yes, neither of these guys have had fighters lose. Strong assessment.

not as many as roach

**wizard king** · 10-20-2011, 11:56 AM

roach sucks allways has. roach fighters suck and thier is not one fighter in his stable that he made a world champ from scratch and he will never get the full pontenial out of pac or kahn. he ruined george linares tried to make him a brawler and gives shiiiity advice to his fighters during matches. so yes highly overrated trainer

**norrin** · 10-20-2011, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by wizard king

roach sucks allways has. roach fighters suck and thier is not one fighter in his stable that he made a world champ from scratch and he will never get the full pontenial out of pac or kahn. he ruined george linares tried to make him a brawler and gives shiiiity advice to his fighters during matches. so yes highly overrated trainer

I thought the same thing when I read the press release announcing his induction in the hall of fame.

**sunny31** · 10-20-2011, 01:08 PM

I don't like all this bs about Roach after Linares. He gave him the right technique and tactics to use to win the fight, thus why he swept the first half of the fight. Thing is the fighter has to take responsibility, and linares got sloppy when his fitness levels dropped. His concentration dropped and he got complacent, people that want to blame Roach are idiot PAC and khan haters...pathetic. Go learn about boxing.

For the record...I think if Linares sticks with Roach he will become a top fighter

**Johnnybur** · 10-20-2011, 01:10 PM

You obviously do not know much about boxing, roach has had 6 or 7 times the number of champions that garcia has had, not to mention garcia was in margaritos corner when manny whipped that ass. Not sure of the real number but hes only had like 20 champions under him, where the hell have you gotten your facts??? Roach turned manny and khan into what they are today, khan had just gotten knocked out when roach took over him. Seriously look over your facts

**Walt Liquor** · 10-20-2011, 01:27 PM

ts has absolutely no credibility. he's the same dude that based his sergio-floyd prediction off the mayweather-marquez fight.

**Double_L** · 10-20-2011, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by wizard king

he ruined george linares tried to make him a brawler and gives shiiiity advice to his fighters during matches.

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**NEETzsche** · 10-20-2011, 01:54 PM

i definitely think that pacquiao made roach, rather than the other way round. roach wouldn't have khan or many of his other winners (who else is at wild card at the moment? i forget) if it wasn't for pacquiao's name being associated with his. i'm not necessarily saying he's a bad trainer, but he doesn't make (or break) his fighters.

I think freddie roach is overrated