Amir Khan: Manny is afraid of needles & doesnt even like taking protein shakes!!"

[MindBat]

Manny has been all talk and no action.

Saying things and actually DOING them are two different things.

[Toyman]

Manny has been all talk and no action.

Saying things and actually DOING them are two different things.

as i said, keith kizer's interview says hello

[Toxic]

PBF always says "I WANT MY OPPONENT ON THEIR BEST CONDITION"

but when it comes to PAC, TAKE THE TEST, even though PAC is saying it will weaken me.

[jcpryor]

as i said, keith kizer's interview says hello

Dude..why do you keep referencing that interview as if its a trump card or something? Can you explain what was so ground breaking in that interview that makes you keep saying the same thing over and over?

Is it because Mayweather apparently didn't want to petition the NSAC for additional testing? Regardless if that did or didn't happen, if someone genuinely believes someone is taking some kind of PEDs, wouldn't you want to get tested by the most credible company available, as opposed to the NSAC which would essentially be handling those type of tests for the first time with no track record?

If Bob Arum and Pacquiao apparently agreed to petition the commission for additional testing anyway, then why didn't they just submit to USADA's testing procedures to begin with?

More importantly, if it was the case that Bob Arum and Schaefer were going to petition the commission for additional testing, then why haven't they done it yet? What are they waiting on? Mayweather? Why would they have to wait on Mayweather to petition the commission for additional testing? Didn't Kizer specifically say "Any promoter can petition the commission for anything."?


I haven't looked at the interview in a few days, but if there was something else that you felt was ground breaking that keeps leading you to quote only that specific interview, then please let me know because I would love to understand what you're getting at.

[Toyman]

Dude..why do you keep referencing that interview as if its a trump card or something? Can you explain what was so ground breaking in that interview that makes you keep saying the same thing over and over?

Is it because Mayweather apparently didn't want to petition the NSAC for additional testing? Regardless if that did or didn't happen, if someone genuinely believes someone is taking some kind of PEDs, wouldn't you want to get tested by the most credible company available, as opposed to the NSAC which would essentially be handling those type of tests for the first time with no track record?

If Bob Arum and Pacquiao apparently agreed to petition the commission for additional testing anyway, then why didn't they just submit to USADA's testing procedures to begin with?

More importantly, if it was the case that Bob Arum and Schaefer were going to petition the commission for additional testing, then why haven't they done it yet? What are they waiting on? Mayweather? Why would they have to wait on Mayweather to petition the commission for additional testing? Didn't Kizer specifically say "Any promoter can petition the commission for anything."?


I haven't looked at the interview in a few days, but if there was something else that you felt was ground breaking that keeps leading you to quote only that specific interview, then please let me know because I would love to understand what you're getting at.

Sure

The only thing all of you have to fall back on nowadays is to blame pacquiao for refusing random testing, when this interview is evidence that he accepted it.

Your questions indicate that you still haven't read it.....they would gladly carry it out if all of them [including mayweather] petitioned for it to be done. Only mayweather rejected.

And don't bring up that USADA argument Richard Schaefer clearly stated their position was that as long as its random, its ok. And besides, dirty athletes have passed USADA style testing as well... and the mayweather test is worthless anyway as its not even year round.


Conclusion: Mayweather is scared of Pac.

[jcpryor]

Sure

The only thing all of you have to fall back on nowadays is to blame pacquiao for refusing random testing, when this interview is evidence that he accepted it.

Your questions indicate that you still haven't read it.....they would gladly carry it out if all of them [including mayweather] petitioned for it to be done. Only mayweather rejected.

And don't bring up that USADA argument Richard Schaefer clearly stated their position was that as long as its random, its ok. And besides, dirty athletes have passed USADA style testing as well... and the mayweather test is worthless anyway as its not even year round.


Conclusion: Mayweather is scared of Pac.

That's your answer?

Nowhere in the article does it say Pacquiao agreed to random testing, specifically not one without a cut off date. The article says that Pacquiao agreed to petition the Commission for additional testing. While that means Pacquiao maybe for additional testing, that stance is no different than what he agreed to in 2009 when he agreed to blood testing with a 24 day cut off.

You're answer leads me to believe you didn't read what I said, which was why would Mayweather rejecting to petition the Commission prevent either Arum or Schaefer from petitioning it themselves? The Article explicitly says that any promoter can petition the commission for anything at any time.

On your last point, Mayweather does not work for Schaefer. Schaefer is with Golden Boy, not with Mayweather Promotions. Him saying that he doesn't care who does the testing has no barring on what Mayweather's team wants.

[jcpryor]

Also, don't you think that if Bob Arum actually followed up with what the article says and petitioned the Commission for more strict testing that it would put even more public pressure on him?

[Toyman]

That's your answer?

Nowhere in the article does it say Pacquiao agreed to random testing, specifically not one without a cut off date. The article says that Pacquiao agreed to petition the Commission for additional testing. While that means Pacquiao maybe for additional testing, that stance is no different than what he agreed to in 2009 when he agreed to blood testing with a 24 day cut off.

You're answer leads me to believe you didn't read what I said, which was why would Mayweather rejecting to petition the Commission prevent either Arum or Schaefer from petitioning it themselves? The Article explicitly says that any promoter can petition the commission for anything at any time.

On your last point, Mayweather does not work for Schaefer. Schaefer is with Golden Boy, not with Mayweather Promotions. Him saying that he doesn't care who does the testing has no barring on what Mayweather's team wants.

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Richard Schaefer agreed to the testing; and he said his position was that as long as it was random, no cut off, and blood + urine it was fine.

The fact that he accepted it tells you that it met his requirements.

The fact that pacquiao agreed to petition for it shows he was willing to do it if the commission required it.


Only one problem. Mayweather refused.



Damn..did you not read the interview? He said that they all have to petition for it to be carried out. Pac, TR, and GB agreed to do a joint petition but it could not be done without mayweather's approval.....its not that hard to understand.... Sure, Arum and schaefer can petition it alone, but even if the commission said yes mayweather still said no.


Your last point is irrelevant. Regardless of who he works for, he did not want to petition the nsac to do the tests...Pac was 100% willing. Destroys all your drug test arguments and can only lead to 1 conclusion really....

[jcpryor]

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Richard Schaefer agreed to the testing; and he said his position was that as long as it was random, no cut off, and blood + urine it was fine.

The fact that he accepted it tells you that it met his requirements.

The fact that pacquiao agreed to petition for it shows he was willing to do it if the commission required it.


Only one problem. Mayweather refused.



Damn..did you not read the interview? He said that they all have to petition for it to be carried out. Pac, TR, and GB agreed to do a joint petition but it could not be done without mayweather's approval.....its not that hard to understand.... Sure, Arum and schaefer can petition it alone, but even if the commission said yes mayweather still said no.


Your last point is irrelevant. Regardless of who he works for, he did not want to petition the nsac to do the tests...Pac was 100% willing. Destroys all your drug test arguments and can only lead to 1 conclusion really....

So basically you aren't going to answer any of the questions that I asked?

I found the article, so I'll paste the part of it that you keep referencing:

"I know that Richard Shaefer and Bob Arum back in early 2010 had said “look, can we just petition the commission and see if they’ll be willing to do additional testing on our dime? I want to present that to them because we want everything au****ious of the athletic commission.” I said “definitely.” Any promoter can petition the commission for anything. It doesn’t mean they’ll say yes or they’ll say no. So they both had agreed to that. I guess Mr. Pacquiao had agreed to that but Mr. Mayweather said no, he wasn’t going to do that. And that’s fine, I take no offense at that."


Now, I'll ask my questions one more time. I'll start with three:

1.) Why didn't, after Mayweather refused to petition the Commission, Arum, Schaefer, and Pacquiao themselves petition the Commission? Why does Mayweather refusing something have any barring one what either one of those people do? Especially considering that Mayweather isn't working for either promoter.

Its important to keep in mind the fact that Arum and Schaefer could still do a joint petition if they wanted to because Mayweather isn't apart of either company. Mayweather could say no all he wants, but if Top Rank and Golden Boy filed a joint petition and won, Mayweather would still be subjected to the new additional testing.


2.) Where in the article does it say that Pacquiao agreed to full blood / urine testing without a cut off date? You keep saying that Pacquiao agreed to petition the Commission for additional testing. I'm asking you this: How is that different than what he agreed to in 2009?

3.) If Bob Arum and Pacquaio were willing to petition the commission for additional testing, then why did they have a problem with USADA doing the testing in the first place? Why wouldn't they want the most credible drug testing company to do the testing as opposed to NSAC which would be doing that kind of testing for the first time?

[Toyman]

So basically you aren't going to answer any of the questions that I asked?

I found the article, so I'll paste the part of it that you keep referencing:

"I know that Richard Shaefer and Bob Arum back in early 2010 had said “look, can we just petition the commission and see if they’ll be willing to do additional testing on our dime? I want to present that to them because we want everything au****ious of the athletic commission.” I said “definitely.” Any promoter can petition the commission for anything. It doesn’t mean they’ll say yes or they’ll say no. So they both had agreed to that. I guess Mr. Pacquiao had agreed to that but Mr. Mayweather said no, he wasn’t going to do that. And that’s fine, I take no offense at that."


Now, I'll ask my questions one more time. I'll start with three:

1.) Why didn't, after Mayweather refused to petition the Commission, Arum, Schaefer, and Pacquiao themselves petition the Commission? Why does Mayweather refusing something have any barring one what either one of those people do? Especially considering that Mayweather isn't working for either promoter.

Its important to keep in mind the fact that Arum and Schaefer could still do a joint petition if they wanted to because Mayweather isn't apart of either company. Mayweather could say no all he wants, but if Top Rank and Golden Boy filed a joint petition and won, Mayweather would still be subjected to the new additional testing.


2.) Where in the article does it say that Pacquiao agreed to full blood / urine testing without a cut off date? You keep saying that Pacquiao agreed to petition the Commission for additional testing. I'm asking you this: How is that different than what he agreed to in 2009?

3.) If Bob Arum and Pacquaio were willing to petition the commission for additional testing, then why did they have a problem with USADA doing the testing in the first place? Why wouldn't they want the most credible drug testing company to do the testing as opposed to NSAC which would be doing that kind of testing for the first time?

1) What is the point in the 3 of them doing the petition when at the end of the day, it will have to involve mayweather? The three of them can petition, the commission will say yes, but mayweather would say no, so no fight.

How could mayweather be subjucated to additional testing if they weren't even fighting :O

2) This is something you need common sense to piece together:

The simplest way is this:

Pacquiao agreed to their test.

Schaefer agreed to their test.

Schaefer's position: Random, no cut off, blood, urine.

The fact that schaefer agreed indicates it was all of the above. The fact that pacquiao was willing to petition indicates he was willing to do it if the commission required.


3) Lots of reasons:

Pac + Mayweather have worked with the commission before and would have to work with them anyway regardless.

USADA tests themselves have been passed by dirty athletes

Psychological reasons: Mayweather demanding useless extra tests ; if pac agrees, he has to at least get part of it his way.


Conclusion: Mayweather is scared of Pac...Pac has already beat him mentally and it shows in the interviews when mayweather gets scared every time pac is mentioned.