Vargas is nothing but an HBO creation!

[{BrownBomber}]

Are you calling Oscar a creation?

Dont you think he was hyped liked a mf?

[The Infamous]

Youngest champion ever an HBO creation? The man had a lot of potential...

[BLOODSHED]

Well said.

Sure he is not an elite level guy but he was no creation...creations dont go out and do what he did against Quartey...creations dont come back like he did against Trinidad.

Vargas was a very good fighter who just could not get over the elite level hump thats all.

[vtamh]

Fernando Vargas was a very good aggressive fighter at the time. He was NEVER an HBO creation. He captivated the Mexican warrior status with his aggresive style and ****y attitude. He had the "i dont give a **** attitude." Vargas was always fun to watch. He also had an enormous amount of talent... THAT WAS UNTIL HE MET TITO.....
His ****y attitude and willingness to fight anyone, anytime left him in the ring with one of the most brilliant gunslinger to exist.. Tito.. Tito has ruined a number of careers, Reid,Vargas,Joppy. After taking a beating from tito the way vargas did, youll never be the same. Thats how the average power Rivera put him down and the med. power DelaHoya finished him. Thats also the reason now of his style change, Hes afraid to get hit. Does Mosely have enough to put Vargas out, I think so. Main point is that before Tito, Vargas was a great up and comer, with a whole lot of potential.

[BLOODSHED]

Oscar without a doubt is a creation but he materialized. He's still doing that Wheaties/Olympic squeaky clean image to this day.

Are you calling Oscar a creation?

[scap]

Dont you think he was hyped liked a mf?

Sure he was hyped but the mother ****er flat out lived up to all of the billing.

He wasnt built up for a long period of time fighting bums...Oscar start fighting serious world class threats early on in his career.

It is one thing to have super star written all over you and then **** all over yourself like Francisco Bojado or Ricardo Williams and a completely different thing to have it writen all over you then produce.

Oscar was a ****ing beast between 130-147.

[oldgringo]

Creation my ass. Vargas was a great fighter in the ring and just got ahead of himself before he was prepared. There is no shame in losing to DLH and Trinidad...those are two all-time great welterweights in their own right.

Also, W. Benitez was the youngest champ ever...not Vargas.

[BLOODSHED]

Agree 100%.

Sure he was hyped but the mother ****er flat out lived up to all of the billing.

He wasnt built up for a long period of time fighting bums...Oscar start fighting serious world class threats early on in his career.

It is one thing to have super star written all over you and then **** all over yourself like Francisco Bojado or Ricardo Williams and a completely different thing to have it writen all over you then produce.

Oscar was a ****ing beast between 130-147.

[Rockin']

The only thing that was created was a undue thread saying that Vargas basicaly can not fight. That man is a warrior, he gives what he has in every fight that I have seen. Do not be blind, Vargas has skills and is worthy of the exposure that he has had through his career.

To me, this whole thread is a misleading and unjust attack of Vargas, written by a person with to much time on their hands and not enough boxing knowledge to know any better.

In my humble opinion,
Rockin'

[scap]

Just because you have expectations and the media and fans expect big things out of you does not mean you are a creation...now if you have all of these expectations put on you and you have done nothing to warrant this then yes yopur a creation


but...

Imagine Deion Sanders...just because he was super hyped coming out of Florida State should that make him a creation? The whole prime time things was certainly a great marketing ploy but it woulndt of lasted if he couldnt play.

The Golden Boy thing was a nice little marketing trick but it would have gone away real quick of Jimmy Bredhal or John John Molina would have beat the **** out of Oscar...