Hopkins vs. Dawson post fight discussion - Please do not make new threads about this.

[#1Assassin]

Why are you people so ****** go to 3:55 in the video you can clearly hear the doctor say he can't continue and Bernard says "with one hand yeah" then the doctor says "no you can't"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kgwLF-Dvtc

THANK YOU!

some ppl are just pathetic, they will look for any chance to critisize a fighter. even when theres evidence that hopkins for a FACT did not quit they will just ignore it and keep talking ****.

1. hopkins was damaged by something not within the rulebook which means it cant be a TKO, has to be a NC.

2. this EXACT thing has happened to hopkins before, he kept fighting and knocked the guy out with one arm.

3. hopkins clearly said he wanted to go on, it was the ref said who said he couldnt continue to which hopkins responded by saying once again that he wanted to keep fighting.


HOPKINS DID NOT QUIT!

[IronDanHamza]

hopkins didn't do everything right either, I'm not saying that. He should have stood up sooner for one. He could have done a couple of things better. I also think he was clear on what was going on. If the ref explained him the scenario, maybe we'd have a totally different outcome.

His injury has been confirmed though, so at the end of the day, should he have even continued with a f'd up shoulder? If it was like round 10 or whatever sure, tough it out, but with it being only round 2 with everything on the line? That's a tall order. I'm not going to question him there.

It boils down to bad reffing, weird/freakish occurrence and no matter what peoples opinions are I just think this is a clear No Contest. Certainly no one won that fight. No punch caused anything. And the injury has been confirmed from what was either a foul or an accident.

I am not doubting the injury and he was obviously in a lot of pain.

I orginally doubted the injury because Hopkins has done this **** o many times before but I asked for the Doctor's report and it has been documented and confirmed and I take their word for it. So again I have no doubts in my mind personally that the injury is legit.

Well, I don't know, should he? Isn't that what we are debating here?

If Hopkins was in severe pain which I believe he was because his injury is serious. Then that's probably why he didn't want to continue. Which, to me, he clearly didn't.

But, according to him he did want to continue even though he didn't convince anyone really.

As a fighter if he felt he could continue then obviously yeah he should have continued. If he felt he couldn't then he should have done what I believe he did and said he was in too much pain in so many words and it be ruled a NC. (Due to the injury being caused by not being punched or a non boxing move)

Like I said, I agree with you on the decision. It's a clear NC.

What I disagree with you on is claiming Hopkins wanted to continue, which to me it seems he clearly didn't.

And you kind of confirmed reasoning for that decision. Which is reasonable, really. Like I said as soon as the injury came out, a dislocation is a serious injury and Hopkins would have been in alot of pain there.

[heat27]

the ref actually asked hopkins if he could continue and hopkins said, "with one arm, yes"

lol
if he really wanted to continue hopkins would have just saild yes and not told the ref my arm is hurt lmao

[americanbot]

No knock down Hopkins pushed Dawson off balance, and thanks to a better view of the ending, that is not a foul by Dawson, Hopkins jumped in and leaned on his back while Dawson tried to get him off of him you can clearly see Hopkins force his weight on Dawsons back.
No foul Hopkins quit... Echoles slammed Flopkins down much harder than that and Flopkins got up and fought on... he did not want to get up here, and to me Flops showed his age here.. he would be better off to hang em up.

LOL you're a ret@rd

[heat27]

what is he supposed to say that his arm wasn't f'd up? I don't get it. In hopkins mind he was slammed to the ground and hurt his arm. Is he supposed to say "the arm is totally fine, sir. No problem!"

Of course not! He's going to say my arm is hurt, but I'll continue.

Against echols he let the ref know his arm was hurt, but the ref did the right thing by calling time, giving hopkins a couple minutes and the fight then resumed. This ref made a quick ass decision then immediately bounced out the arena and probably the county.

yes................

[S.J. II]

the ref actually asked hopkins if he could continue and hopkins said, "with one arm, yes"

If you weren't a Nardtard you'd understand that was Hopkins quitting the fight. Any referee that allows a fighter to continue fighting when they say they can only operate one arm would be permanently expelled from boxing by all US commissions.

[IronDanHamza]

you can take it anyway you want. I'm not a alone in thinking he meant literally "yea" as in "yes" not sarcasm. He did a similar thing against echols and guess what? He fought on after complaining about the pain.

Even if you're 100% right and hopkins didn't want to continue, that still doesn't change the fact this should be ruled a NC. He's got a legit injury, it wasn't a boxing move that it was either a foul or some freak accident in round 2. No winner here folks.

There is a very small handful who believe that reasoning.

Again, I agree with you on the Decision. It's an NC and chances are it will be rightfully changed.

All I'm saying is Hopkins didn't want to continue.

The simple fact he said "I can't" before he said "With one arm yes" is instantly an obvious reasoning.

[-Kev-]

yeah great master plan. Are you wearing a tinfoil hat? This sounds like the same BS I hear on this board like the "Floyd-Mosly fight was fixed!" etc etc etc.

Planned a NC so they can keep the belts. Bribed doctors. Illuminati strikes again

Lol yeah okay, a fight that went 12 rounds with real hard punches landed. Comparing it to a two round fight in which ended with some one landing on his ass and purposely hitting his elbow with the canvas so that he can set up a fake injury.


Yeah, after the 1st round, and after he saw how the fight was going[couldn't hit Dawson cleanly], he saw an opening to win by DQ or get an NC and keep his belts, when Dawson shoved him away and he fell. He quickly thought, forget this, i'm 46, i'm a legend, my legacy is cemented, i'm not letting this kid beat me so he can start his own legacy using my name. Ref i'm injured, ahhhhh!

[-Kev-]

lol, the only people who think he wanted to continue, are Bernard fans.

Go figure.

I'm a Bernard fan and I don't believe that.

Bernard STANS, however, do believe this.

[IronDanHamza]

This, "one arm, yea" thing.

Its really not a statement from Bernard, its a rhetorical question,

"with one arm? yea" as in "Yea right", which is why he continues with, "its popped out".

Yeah, this is exactly what I'm saying.