Hopkins vs. Dawson post fight discussion - Please do not make new threads about this.

[Mr Randy Watson]

I think Both Refs are to blame. I mean cortez is a bonehead with the way he handle that time in. ITs not floyds fault.

Now with the hopkins fight, the ref shouldve taken charge. Why no warning for the obvious intentional tackle? You can argue that he shouldve taken a point. If he wouldve done either of the 2, the outcome wouldve been a NC like it should be.

Look at agbeko mares,mora spoiled the fight. Even judah khan. Judah was obviously acting,but the ref should have made it real clear that he was counting judah out. He counted him out while he had his head down. He took away any chances of a real KO from khan.

[ИATAS]

Of course, the Referee was poor and his communication and Decision was poor.

But that doesn't put Hopkins in the clear because what it all boils down to is Hopkins actions showed he was not eager to continue. It's abudently clear.

hopkins didn't do everything right either, I'm not saying that. He should have stood up sooner for one. He could have done a couple of things better. I also think he was clear on what was going on. If the ref explained him the scenario, maybe we'd have a totally different outcome.

His injury has been confirmed though, so at the end of the day, should he have even continued with a f'd up shoulder? If it was like round 10 or whatever sure, tough it out, but with it being only round 2 with everything on the line? That's a tall order. I'm not going to question him there.

It boils down to bad reffing, weird/freakish occurrence and no matter what peoples opinions are I just think this is a clear No Contest. Certainly no one won that fight. No punch caused anything. And the injury has been confirmed from what was either a foul or an accident.

[IronDanHamza]

@3:55 the ref says to hopkins "can you continue.
Hopkins replies, "with one hand, yeah"

the ref replies with "no you can't" then walks away!!!

Because it's obvious he doesn't want to.

Also, after he says 'with one arm yes' the ref again says 'so can you continue?' and he replies with 'It's popped out!'

Again, further implying he doesn't want to continue.

You can clutch onto the 'with one arm, yeah' thing alll you want but it's pretty obvious to most that he didn't want to continue whilst he was sitting on the canvass mostly letting everyone know for the 50th time his sholder hurt.

[Sin City]

i dont really think he quit and could see the shoulder injury being legitimate.. but who gives a eff.
the shorter a hopkins fight is, the less we have to watch it.. the better.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Because it's obvious he doesn't want to.

Also, after he says 'with one arm yes' the ref again says 'so can you continue?' and he replies with 'It's popped out!'

Again, further implying he doesn't want to continue.

You can clutch onto the 'with one arm, yeah' thing alll you want but it's pretty obvious to most that he didn't want to continue whilst he was sitting on the canvass mostly letting everyone know for the 50th time his sholder hurt.

This, "one arm, yea" thing.

Its really not a statement from Bernard, its a rhetorical question,

"with one arm? yea" as in "Yea right", which is why he continues with, "its popped out".

[ИATAS]

And that's exactly what Hopkins wanted. He wanted an NC, keep the titles, and not fight Dawson again. But it didn't happen. Luckily for him GBP is not only powerful enough to bribe doctors in to giving fake reports, GBP can also overturn the decision to an NC and Hopkins keeps his belts and doesn't fight Dawson again. Nicely planned out by Team Hopkins and GBP.

yeah great master plan. Are you wearing a tinfoil hat? This sounds like the same BS I hear on this board like the "Floyd-Mosly fight was fixed!" etc etc etc.

Planned a NC so they can keep the belts. Bribed doctors. Illuminati strikes again

[-Kev-]

Hopkins only said that he could continue, while showing signs that he didn't want to, so that in the interviews after the fight he could say "I wanted to continue but the ref didn't let me".


Hopkins is mentally slick. He's from the East Coast. Philly, NYC, got the slickest guys in the East Coast. They will hustle you for anything, they will make you believe anything. Growing up in rough inner city neighborhoods make you become slick, mentally. I commend Hopkins for only one thing and it's way with words and the actions he's taken, so that it can all fall in to place and he can look like the victim. Great fighter and all, but when he feels he's in a rough fight, he wants out, he wants to do stuff to deduct points from his opponents or get a DQ win, NC.

[ИATAS]

Because it's obvious he doesn't want to.

Also, after he says 'with one arm yes' the ref again says 'so can you continue?' and he replies with 'It's popped out!'

Again, further implying he doesn't want to continue.

You can clutch onto the 'with one arm, yeah' thing alll you want but it's pretty obvious to most that he didn't want to continue whilst he was sitting on the canvass mostly letting everyone know for the 50th time his sholder hurt.

you can take it anyway you want. I'm not a alone in thinking he meant literally "yea" as in "yes" not sarcasm. He did a similar thing against echols and guess what? He fought on after complaining about the pain.

Even if you're 100% right and hopkins didn't want to continue, that still doesn't change the fact this should be ruled a NC. He's got a legit injury, it wasn't a boxing move that it was either a foul or some freak accident in round 2. No winner here folks.

[americanbot]

lol @ calling that a punch that landed clean.

Hopkins body checks, him touches him lightly while their legs get tangled up.

Lets see which has greater force a human body lunging toward another man making all kinds of contact or some weak ass punch.

If you want to make yourself look like a fool go right on ahead there is more to that than just some weak ass punch that wouldn't bust a g****, if you want to act like that is all that happened we aren't watching the same video.

i told you what happened..........look at the video. i even pointed out the times in which it happened, hopkins comes in while throwing punches. 1 of the punches catches dawson on the chin & he immediately goes down from it. point me towards the point of the vid where hopkins stepped on dawson feet or where he tripped dawsons feet....

you can't because it's a made up lie in an attempt to deflect what really happened.

dawson was hit by a short right hand & dawsons glove then touches the canvas...........the punch knocked him off balance Not his legs being tangled or any of that delusional crap.

[Vasyl’s dad]

you can take it anyway you want. I'm not a alone in thinking he meant literally "yea" as in "yes" not sarcasm. He did a similar thing against echols and guess what? He fought on after complaining about the pain.

Even if you're 100% right and hopkins didn't want to continue, that still doesn't change the fact this should be ruled a NC. He's got a legit injury, it wasn't a boxing move that it was either a foul or some freak accident in round 2. No winner here folks.

lol, the only people who think he wanted to continue, are Bernard fans.

Go figure.