Comments Thread For: haye's Lack of Size Cost Him His Heavyweight Dream

[Dave Rado]

You're all taking as though Haye did not cut it at heavyweight............wasn't he Heavyweight World Champion after beating 7 foot Valuev? Yes he was!

******est post in the thread. You clearly don't know what "world champion" means. The Heavyweight world champion was and remains Wlad Klitschko. Valuev was ranked #6 at the time. The fact Valuev held a meaningless bauble (which he didn't even win in the ring) is neither here nor there, other than in the sense that it gave Haye a lot more financial clout in his subsequent negotiations.

I suppose you think that the current World Heavyweight Champion is Povetkin - after all, he currently holds the same meaningless bauble Haye used to hold ....

[Dave Rado]

What a bunch of crap. Why would they cut weight when doing so doesn't offer any benefits whatsoever and can actually be detrimental to your performance?

If your walk-around weight is partly fat then it offers huge benefits in terms of speed and reaction time.

[Dave Rado]

on a skill level he's better than wlad, there's no doubt about that

Haye has absolutely no boxing skills. That's why he lost the fight. He has speed and athleticism and a big punch and decent head movement but no skills. Wlad has ten times more skill than Haye. Haye was missing by such huge margins with his lunging punches, it was hilarious. That's not how a skilled fighter fights.

[Dave Rado]

But you get too many children on this forum who aren't capable of holding decent discussion.

Such as someone who posted that Haye was the world Heavyweight champion.

[Dave Rado]

You missed the majority of his entire career..at cruiserweight.

A serious beat down?!! Is your name Piers Morgan? More spin than him

He only fought one world class Cruiserweight, and he was past his prime.

And Haye lost at least ten rounds against Wlad, arguably eleven, which was certainly a serious humiliation, if not quite a beat down.

[Dave Rado]

Taken from the Lennox fight. I know it's Vitali but they both fight the same.

I stopped reading there. Their styles couldn't be more different from each other and if you aren't aware of that then you either have never watched them or you simply know nothing about boxing.

[Dave Rado]

He was getting tagged with that jab. It's the only punch Wlad throws and it was indeed landing.

The only thing Haye did well in the fight was avoid most of Wlad's jabs. Some landed (a lot landed numerically but not a lot as a proportion of those thrown); and even those that didn't land prevented Haye from being able to go onto the offensive; but Wlad has one of the top 5 jabs in Heavyweight history (arguably top 2); and your claim that any fighter from the past would have found it easy to avoid his jab is just laughable. He feints with it very subtly, his workrate with the jab is phenomenal for a big man, and the accuracy, speed and power of his jab is leagues better than that of any other Heavyweight today and better than almost all the jabs of the past greats.

And Wlad threw a lot of rights, right, from the first round onwards. He relies on the jab to set up his right and he throws far more jabs than rights, but for you to claim he didn't throw any rights either means you didn't watch the fight or that you are being dishonest. He actually threw a lot more rights against Haye than he usually throws.

[Hitman932]

I've always and still do feel this way. Boxing needs a super heavy weight division desperately. Klits get an unfair advantage.

That's ridiculous.

If they made another division with say a limit of 220, the guys who fought at that weight would be marginalized just like Cruiserweights are today.

They wouldn't make nearly as much money as the Super Heavyweights and would just end up having to challenge them to get respect and a payday anyhow.

As soon as someone became the 220 lb champ fans would say "fight a Klitschko or nobody cares."

I honestly cannot believe that people support such an assinine idea as adding another weight class to a sport that already has way too many.

[Hitman932]

He only fought one world class Cruiserweight, and he was past his prime.

And Haye lost at least ten rounds against Wlad, arguably eleven, which was certainly a serious humiliation, if not quite a beat down.

Haye also found himself floored by a past prime Mormack and was forced onto the back foot and cut by Fragomeni who was beaten by Zsolt Erdei as well as Haye.

Had Fragomeni some skill or power he would have probably ended Haye's charade that night. Sadly he has nothing more than heart and determination and found himself outgunned. Of course it didn't help him that Haye was allowed to smash him with an extra right hand when he was already down.

[SplitSecond]

That's ridiculous.

If they made another division with say a limit of 220, the guys who fought at that weight would be marginalized just like Cruiserweights are today.

They wouldn't make nearly as much money as the Super Heavyweights and would just end up having to challenge them to get respect and a payday anyhow.

As soon as someone became the 220 lb champ fans would say "fight a Klitschko or nobody cares."

I honestly cannot believe that people support such an assinine idea as adding another weight class to a sport that already has way too many.

honestly though, if the majority of heavyweights would actually get in shape alot of them would probabley be cruisers

the klitschko's are dominating so big because their opposition is usually flabby