The only guaranteed way to beat Mayweather is...pt.2

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great post

mine was greater and wasn't based on my opinion of who was shot and who was great because of 1 fight in a boxers career. i just gave the facts but they didn't make floyd look good so it was ignored. i didn't use any silly triangle theories where mosley beating margarito means he's better than cotto even though he lost to cotto 3 years earlier, i didn't lie and say ortiz was coming off big wins even though his only big win is over berto and his other big win is a draw i guess? i didn't embellish crappy records by saying baldomir hadn't lost in 8 years because he had only fought 1 top 10 fighter in 8 years.

like he said you gotta look at the guys when floyd fought them. when floyd fought them they all had only 1 or 0 wins over top 10 guys(except mosley) now look at the guys he didn't fight cotto and margarito. they have 11 top 10 wins between them. kinda weird huh? the more proven guys were ignored.

anyone can fluke a win. look at baldomir. anyone can beat someone if they have the right style matchup and anyone can lose if they have the wrong style matchup but elite fighters beat top competition repeatedly and they might even take a loss(omg) or 2. just looking at a guys last fight is fools gold. it doesn't tell you the full story of a guys resume. it doesn't mean they are great just like losing doesn't mean they are sh-it. all it means is they had a good or a bad fight last time. it doesn't guarantee they will have a good or a bad fight next time.

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this is not comparing floyd to pac. it's comparing the opponents floyd fought to the ones he ducked. floyd fought guys with only 1 good win instead of guys like cotto and margarito who were racking up win after win over top guys. he just ignored them and cherry picked the next 1 win wonder.

the pac-clottey fight was signed on january 10th. berto pulled out of the mosley fight on january 18th. i don't see how negative 8 days is ample opportunity.

Actually the thread is about how to beat Mayweather. So, once Pac clearly was the reason for the fight not happening (he never agreed to the 14 days initially, for some odd reason), he immiediately chose to fight Clottey??? Joshua Clottey hadn't won a fight in 2 years. I was saying that Pac immediately chose to fight Clottey instead of weighing his options. Why not wait like Mayweather did, and fight Mosley??? No, he fought Clottey.

Also, I LOVE how you talk about Floyd ducking Margarito and Cotto, but you can't admit Pac "ducked"/"avoided" a fight with unbeaten Berto in 2010 and Ortiz in 2011. Watch, Pac will fight Ortiz sometime in 2012. I wouldn't be surprised. I would still give Pac credit if he fought Berto. He's still in his prime, has a title, and it would be to unify the divisions. That's fine with me.

I also flat out proved that Mayweather never ducked Cotto. Were you not around in 2006-2007??? Mayweather and his camp had been calling Cotto out since 06', and Top Rank said "Cotto isn't ready for Mayweather". Mayweatehr announces he's done after Hatton, and THAN Cotto and Top Rank come out and say Floyd is ducking him.

Margarito could be seen as that though. He should have fought him in 2006, but than again Manny should have fought Berto in 2010 and Ortiz in 2011 right???? Flody split with Arum after the Judah fight, to which Arum says he will never do business with Floyd again. I look at that like the Bradley-Khan thing, because Khan clearly ducked a fight with Robert Guerrero in favor of a past prime Judah. You can say he ducked him, but than you better say your boy ducked those people.

Both have six big fights at 147.

Mayweather: Judah, Baldomir, Hatton, Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz.
Pacquiao: De La Hoya, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez.

Baldomir cancels out Clottey. De La Hoya was CLEARLY the worst fight of all these. He was so far gone, it wasn't even funny. It was like when Ali fought Holmes in 80'. 3 of Floyd's opponents have been in their "Prime" or "Latter-Prime" (Judah, Hatton, and Ortiz). NONE of Manny's have been. Cotto was close, but he hasn't been anywhere close to the same guy since Antonio got to him in 08', and you know it. Marquez at 144 in 2009, or Marquez at 144 in 2011...Mayweather has the edge their. Marquez was clearly better 2-3 years ago than he is now. He hasn't done s**t since Mayweather beat him. NOTHING, yet Pac fans say he is a legit fight now, but he was a "cherry pick" when Floyd fought him. Margarito and Mosley were at about the same point in their careers.....only Mosley had just knocked Margarito out in one of biggest wins in his career, while Margarito had just been knocked out by Mosley. Judah was coming off a loss, Floyd's only good opponent who has been coming off a loss, but Judah was clearly in his latter-prime years.

De La Hoya, Cotto, Clottey, Margarito, Mosley....ALL coming off losses and crap performances.

Judah was coming off a loss, but Floyd has an advantage because he actually fought Judah in his prime. Baldomir, Hatton, Mosley, and Ortiz...ALL coming off big wins and 2 were in their prime.

You can't have it both ways.