The only guaranteed way to beat Mayweather is...pt.2

[Hi-Dro]

Now that you have superior conditioning to Floyd, it's on to phase 2:

Overwhelm him with offense.

I don't care what none of you say, Floyd has NEVER been overwhelmed in the ring!

You can't get caught up playing the thinking game with Mayweather, he'll win every time. He's too smart to get beat that way so avoid the chess match.

Attack Attack Attack!

Relentlessly from the first to the final bell.

Don't let him get comfortable in there or he'll pick you apart!

[4Corners]

floyd's welterweight resume is trash. his only good win over an established guy was mosley and mosely was beaten by cotto before he fought floyd and easily by pac after mosley fought floyd. 2 guys floyd ducked. maybe mosley was only good during that small window when floyd fought him?

the other guys were all 1 win wonders.

judah 1 win over a top 10 opponent. tons of losses.
baldomir 1 win over a top opponent(judah). tons of losses.
hatton 1 win over a top 10 opponent(debatable)
ortiz 1 win over a top 10 opponent and only 1 fight
mitchell 0 wins over top 10
marquez 0 wins over top 10

or-

cotto 5 wins over top 10 opponents and 2 losses(against the best)
maragrito 6 wins over top 10 opponents and 2 recent losses(against the best)

what a coincidence floyd fought the unproven guys who fluked wins. weird!

You gotta look at when they fought who they did man.

Judah was coming off a loss, but Judah was in his latter-prime.

Baldomir hadn't lost in 8 years, and was coming off beating Judah. He was the recognized WW Champ of the world.
Hatton was the #4 P4P in the world, in his prime, unbeaten.

Marquez was small for 144, I agree. However, his only loss in a great while had been a controversial loss to Manny a year earlier.

Mosley was coming off knocking Margarito out, who had just knocked Cotto out.

Ortiz was in his prime and coming off big wins, one over a prime unbeaten Berto, who was seen as the 2nd or 3rd best WW in the world.

De La Hoya hadn't fought at 147 in 8 years and had just lost to Mayweather and looked undeniably crappy against Forbes.

Cotto was the recognized champ but had just been knocked out by Margarito, got a win over a nobody in Jennings, and looked like complete crap against Clottey, a fight he may have lost. NO ONE can say Cotto has been anything close to what he was since the Margarito knock out.

Clottey hadn't won a fight in two years.

Margarito had just gotten knocked out by Mosley and was way past it.

Mosley had just lost big to Floyd and fought a crap draw with Sergio Mora.

Marquez hasn't done ANYTHING since Mayweather beat him easily at 144 2 years ago. Marquez is a shadow of what he was even 2-3 years ago. We'll see that this November.

Mayweather's significant fights at 147: Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz.

Pacquiao's significant fights at 147: Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Juan Manuel Marquez now.

You can't even defend Manny fighting Margarito in 2010. Margarito has been complete s**t since Mosley KO'd him. You know it, I know, Antonio knows it. Pac hasn't fought anyone that was percieved as a good opponent since Cotto, and that was 4 fights ago in 2009. Pac had ample oppurtunity, after Berto backed out of the fight Mosley, to try and fight Shane Mosley, but he didn't. Instead Floyd fought him coming off one of his biggest wins in his career, and gets crucified for it. Yet, Manny fights him a year later, coming off getting dominated by Floyd and looking horrible against Mora, and gets credit for it.

Both WW resumes are pretty even. Your boy Pac sure didn't seem interested in fighting Victor Ortiz, after Ortiz beat Berto down. He chose to fight Marquez instead, while Mayweather chose Ortiz. Your boy Pac sure didn't seem interested in fighting Berto in 2010 when he was unbeaten either. You can't have it both ways man.

Both WW resumes are pretty even.

[F l i c k e r]

You know. I always wondered if someone with huge punching power were to smash at his elbow. Just keeping ****ing away at that elbow on his left arm. Until it swelled up or he gets elbow bursitis.

I wonder how that would work against Mayweather. You'd need hellacious power but I would like to see someone try that. Maybe Mosley should have tried that. He'd have the power to cause elbow bursitis with his punches.

[daggum]

You gotta look at when they fought who they did man.

Judah was coming off a loss, but Judah was in his latter-prime.

Baldomir hadn't lost in 8 years, and was coming off beating Judah. He was the recognized WW Champ of the world.
Hatton was the #4 P4P in the world, in his prime, unbeaten.

Marquez was small for 144, I agree. However, his only loss in a great while had been a controversial loss to Manny a year earlier.

Mosley was coming off knocking Margarito out, who had just knocked Cotto out.

Ortiz was in his prime and coming off big wins, one over a prime unbeaten Berto, who was seen as the 2nd or 3rd best WW in the world.

De La Hoya hadn't fought at 147 in 8 years and had just lost to Mayweather and looked undeniably crappy against Forbes.

Cotto was the recognized champ but had just been knocked out by Margarito, got a win over a nobody in Jennings, and looked like complete crap against Clottey, a fight he may have lost. NO ONE can say Cotto has been anything close to what he was since the Margarito knock out.

Clottey hadn't won a fight in two years.

Margarito had just gotten knocked out by Mosley and was way past it.

Mosley had just lost big to Floyd and fought a crap draw with Sergio Mora.

Marquez hasn't done ANYTHING since Mayweather beat him easily at 144 2 years ago. Marquez is a shadow of what he was even 2-3 years ago. We'll see that this November.

Mayweather's significant fights at 147: Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz.

Pacquiao's significant fights at 147: Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Juan Manuel Marquez now.

You can't even defend Manny fighting Margarito in 2010. Margarito has been complete s**t since Mosley KO'd him. You know it, I know, Antonio knows it. Pac hasn't fought anyone that was percieved as a good opponent since Cotto, and that was 4 fights ago in 2009. Pac had ample oppurtunity, after Berto backed out of the fight Mosley, to try and fight Shane Mosley, but he didn't. Instead Floyd fought him coming off one of his biggest wins in his career, and gets crucified for it. Yet, Manny fights him a year later, coming off getting dominated by Floyd and looking horrible against Mora, and gets credit for it.

Both WW resumes are pretty even. Your boy Pac sure didn't seem interested in fighting Victor Ortiz, after Ortiz beat Berto down. He chose to fight Marquez instead, while Mayweather chose Ortiz. Your boy Pac sure didn't seem interested in fighting Berto in 2010 when he was unbeaten either. You can't have it both ways man.

Both WW resumes are pretty even.

this is not comparing floyd to pac. it's comparing the opponents floyd fought to the ones he ducked. floyd fought guys with only 1 good win instead of guys like cotto and margarito who were racking up win after win over top guys. he just ignored them and cherry picked the next 1 win wonder.

the pac-clottey fight was signed on january 10th. berto pulled out of the mosley fight on january 18th. i don't see how negative 8 days is ample opportunity.

[viperz007]

You know. I always wondered if someone with huge punching power were to smash at his elbow. Just keeping ****ing away at that elbow on his left arm. Until it swelled up or he gets elbow bursitis.

I wonder how that would work against Mayweather. You'd need hellacious power but I would like to see someone try that. Maybe Mosley should have tried that. He'd have the power to cause elbow bursitis with his punches.

u cant bruise floyds elbow roll

he trained it alot during vacations to become as hard as a baseball bat

he could score a lot of homeruns using his elbow if by chance he joins a baseball league

[Biolink]

That's a lot easier said than done. I only see someone way bigger than him being able to implement that. If you are around his size-ish or smaller he'll just take some step backs and make you commit within his range while he's looking to counter you.

[The Gambler1981]

A guy has to be able to limit Floyd's options. Floyd thrives on making guys fight the fight he wants, he is really hard to deal with because he has so many thing he can do well and will ruthlessly exploit any advantage he can get.

Being bigger and more rangy is the obvious one because if a guy can never get into punching distance what can they really do.

If you can outdo him inside and actually get inside without getting to beat up that can work also.

In both cases Floyd still has an option but it is limited and if you know what he is really trying to do it makes him much easier to deal with.

Or hope a guy comes along with a bigger or just as big toolbox as Floyd, but I don't see Sugar Ray Leonard walking through that door any time soon. That is the real sure way to beat him because if a guy has no real weakness to exploit (or that he can exploit) I don't know what exactly he would do.

[SplitSecond]

You know. I always wondered if someone with huge punching power were to smash at his elbow. Just keeping ****ing away at that elbow on his left arm. Until it swelled up or he gets elbow bursitis.

I wonder how that would work against Mayweather. You'd need hellacious power but I would like to see someone try that. Maybe Mosley should have tried that. He'd have the power to cause elbow bursitis with his punches.

you been watching hajime no ippo?(think that's what it's called)

[bose]

One way is to fight Mayweather just like Ortiz fought him (minus the headbutt)...one more thing, "look out for the elbowssss!".

[Specialist6]

You gotta look at when they fought who they did man.

Judah was coming off a loss, but Judah was in his latter-prime.

Baldomir hadn't lost in 8 years, and was coming off beating Judah. He was the recognized WW Champ of the world.
Hatton was the #4 P4P in the world, in his prime, unbeaten.

Marquez was small for 144, I agree. However, his only loss in a great while had been a controversial loss to Manny a year earlier.

Mosley was coming off knocking Margarito out, who had just knocked Cotto out.

Ortiz was in his prime and coming off big wins, one over a prime unbeaten Berto, who was seen as the 2nd or 3rd best WW in the world.

De La Hoya hadn't fought at 147 in 8 years and had just lost to Mayweather and looked undeniably crappy against Forbes.

Cotto was the recognized champ but had just been knocked out by Margarito, got a win over a nobody in Jennings, and looked like complete crap against Clottey, a fight he may have lost. NO ONE can say Cotto has been anything close to what he was since the Margarito knock out.

Clottey hadn't won a fight in two years.

Margarito had just gotten knocked out by Mosley and was way past it.

Mosley had just lost big to Floyd and fought a crap draw with Sergio Mora.

Marquez hasn't done ANYTHING since Mayweather beat him easily at 144 2 years ago. Marquez is a shadow of what he was even 2-3 years ago. We'll see that this November.

Mayweather's significant fights at 147: Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Ricky Hatton, Juan Manuel Marquez, Shane Mosley, Victor Ortiz.

Pacquiao's significant fights at 147: Oscar De La Hoya, Miguel Cotto, Joshua Clottey, Antonio Margarito, Shane Mosley, and Juan Manuel Marquez now.

You can't even defend Manny fighting Margarito in 2010. Margarito has been complete s**t since Mosley KO'd him. You know it, I know, Antonio knows it. Pac hasn't fought anyone that was percieved as a good opponent since Cotto, and that was 4 fights ago in 2009. Pac had ample oppurtunity, after Berto backed out of the fight Mosley, to try and fight Shane Mosley, but he didn't. Instead Floyd fought him coming off one of his biggest wins in his career, and gets crucified for it. Yet, Manny fights him a year later, coming off getting dominated by Floyd and looking horrible against Mora, and gets credit for it.

Both WW resumes are pretty even. Your boy Pac sure didn't seem interested in fighting Victor Ortiz, after Ortiz beat Berto down. He chose to fight Marquez instead, while Mayweather chose Ortiz. Your boy Pac sure didn't seem interested in fighting Berto in 2010 when he was unbeaten either. You can't have it both ways man.

Both WW resumes are pretty even.

great post