Floyd's behavior is more su****ious than Pac's when it comes to PED use!

[Toyman]

OMG I'm in the twilight zone here.

Toyman, this is what you don't understand. NSAC has already agreed to FMJ's stance on the matter. The only reason they haven't made Random blood testing mandatory is due to, guess what? Yep, funding!!!

How can you sit here and tell me what NSAC is doing is enough, when NSAC themselves have already said it's not enough.

If you went back and read my posts like you said you did, you would've read both links I posted with quotes from NSAC themselves.

Well first of all: If the problem really is funding, then there isn't much you can do about it anyway - so why complain about it? You say the next best thing is the mayweather test, but as we've just seen - the mayweather test is only very slightly better than the NSAC test, perhaps not enough of an upgrade to warrant implementing it at the moment.

Secondly, in order for you to fully asses whether or not it is useful, you would need to actually understand what peds do and what they don't do. From my understanding, the only difference between mayweather's test and the nsac is the slight possibility of hgh detection - which on its own is useless. Yes, it would be nice to know that someone is not using hgh, but looking at what ive just read - you aren't going to gain any benefit from hgh without using other peds - all of which are detectable in urine.

My opinion on this is actually do what suckerpunch said. Test all of them and use a percentage of their earnings for it. If it's not viable (which it probably isn't) then perhaps they could implement random urine testing at all times. but then again, the urine testing could be expensive as well but at least its not as intrusive as blood tests.

[big_james10]

They complain at how Pac moved up in weight while maintaining his speed and power. Well so has floyd!

*******s have been saying for years that Floyd is featherfisted. You have consistently pointed out that he couldn't knock out a lightweight in Marquez; couldn't stop De La Hoya like Pac did (ignoring the fact that Floyd fought De La Hoya at 154 and wore a couple of 10 oz pillows that Oscar picked out for him while Pac fought him at a weight-drained 145 pounds with 8-oz gloves); and that Floyd took 10 rounds to KO Hatton while Pac did it in two. You have also claimed that virtually everyone that he has fought, including Judah, Oscar, Mosley and Ortiz had faster hands.

Now, when it suits your ridiculous and ignorant criticism, you claim that he has maintained his power and speed as he moved up, and therefore, must be using drugs. Your inability to keep your bull**** straight would be laughable if not for the fact that it is such a ridiculous display of ignorance.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I give up, it's late and we're getting nowhere.

I try to post links/sources from NSAC themselves and that still goes nowhere lol

I feel like I'm talking to Victor Ortiz............ The tree LMAO!!

You're getting nowhere. Several people have explained to you the inefficiencies and overall pointlessness of a phony random drug test that only targets two fighters in a sport that has hundreds if not thousands.

You've even been told that drug testing in other sports, is done on all athletes of that respective sport which makes the process fair, for everyone. Fair, which is what this testing is supposed to be about.

[Toyman]

I give up, it's late and we're getting nowhere.

I try to post links/sources from NSAC themselves and that still goes nowhere lol

I feel like I'm talking to Victor Ortiz............ The tree LMAO!!

I get your point. But i dont think it makes much sense.

Your point essentially is: Let's do the mayweather test.

The problem with that is: The mayweather test probably costs a lot in itself, and will only be able to detect one ped which the current nsac test can't detect - and as it turns out that ped used alone is useless.

[Vasyl’s dad]

*******s have been saying for years that Floyd is featherfisted. You have consistently pointed out that he couldn't knock out a lightweight in Marquez; couldn't stop De La Hoya like Pac did (ignoring the fact that Floyd fought De La Hoya at 154 and wore a couple of 10 oz pillows that Oscar picked out for him while Pac fought him at a weight-drained 145 pounds with 8-oz gloves); and that Floyd took 10 rounds to KO Hatton while Pac did it in two. You have also claimed that virtually everyone that he has fought, including Judah, Oscar, Mosley and Ortiz had faster hands.

Now, when it suits your ridiculous and ignorant criticism, you claim that he has maintained his power and speed as he moved up, and therefore, must be using drugs. Your inability to keep your bull**** straight would be laughable if not for the fact that it is such a ridiculous display of ignorance.

Floyd just knocked out a guy who was weighing in at about 162, with two punches.

This knockout happened after a year and a half.

That is highly su****ious.

[big_james10]

Floyd just knocked out a guy who was weighing in at about 162, with two punches.

This knockout happened after a year and a half.

That is highly su****ious.

Thank you for proviing my point. When it suits your criticism, Floyd suddenly has power that he didn't have before. Of course, you ignore the facts, such as the fact you and the other *******s have claimed all week that Floyd sucker punched Ortiz and his behavior was unsportsmanlike. I guess that now that boxers and trainers and guys like Teddy Atlas and Dana White are starting to come to Floyd's defense and support his actions and are criticizing Ortiz, the *******s are changing their story.


You also ignore the fact that Ortiz had both hands down when Floyd ko'd him. He saw the puches coming and could have put up his hands after the left hook. All boxers know that punches don't hurt nearly as bad when you see them coming. Instead, Ortiz chose to keep his hands down and look to the referee to disqualify Floyd. All of this leads to the last and most important fact of all (okay, maybe an opinion)-- Ortiz took a dive! When Ortiz went down, he could have gotten back up because he wasn't hurt that badly. In fact, I thought he was going to get up. He chose not to because he was looking to bail out of the fight every since he threw the head butt.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Thank you for proviing my point. When it suits your criticism, Floyd suddenly has power that he didn't have before. Of course, you ignore the facts, such as the fact you and the other *******s have claimed all week that Floyd sucker punched Ortiz and his behavior was unsportsmanlike. I guess that now that boxers and trainers and guys like Teddy Atlas and Dana White are starting to come to Floyd's defense and support his actions and are criticizing Ortiz, the *******s are changing their story.


You also ignore the fact that Ortiz had both hands down when Floyd ko'd him. He saw the puches coming and could have put up his hands after the left hook. Also, as all boxers know, punches don't hurt nearly as bad when you see them coming. Instead, Ortiz chose to keep his hands down and look to the referee to disqualify Floyd. and, the most important fact of all (okay, maybe an opinion)-- Ortiz took a dive! When Ortiz went down, he could have gotten back up because he wasn't hurt that badly. In fact, I thought he was going to get up. He chose not to because he was looking to bail out of the fight every since he threw the head butt.

The fax,

Floyds on PEDs. Takes long breaks to cycle, and then comes back to a phony random drug test.

Cry about it.

[big_james10]

The fax,

Floyds on PEDs. Takes long breaks to cycle, and then comes back to a phony random drug test.

Cry about it.

I don' have to cry about anything. My boxer won! You and the other *******s are the ones crying. That is the purpose of this thread -- to whine using circular logic that only makes sense to the *******s on this site.

Circular logic: Pac refused to take random drug tests requested by Mayweather, but Mayweather is the one who is dodging the fight.

Circular logic: Pac refuses to take drug tests that every boxer between 140 and 154 has indicated they would take. However, Pac is not using illegal PEDS, but Mayweather is because he took 2.5 years off from boxing and later took 16 months off and actually came back and won his fights!

[Vasyl’s dad]

I don' have to cry about anything. My boxer won! You and the other *******s are the ones crying. That is the purpose of this thread -- to whine using circular logic that only makes sense to the *******s on this site.

Circular logic: Pac refused to take random drug tests requested by Mayweather, but Mayweather is the one who is dodging the fight.

Circular logic: Pac refuses to take drug tests that every boxer between 140 and 154 has indicated they would take. However, Pac is not using illegal PEDS, but Mayweather is because he took 2.5 years off from boxing and later took 16 months off and actually came back and won his fights!

Actual logic.

No commission requires this phony random drug testing.

Actual logic.

No fighter is doing this phony random drug testing except for Floyd, an ex steroid user, and Victor Ortiz.

Actual logic.

Pacquiao has fought 58 times without any of his opponents crying about extra testing.

Actual logic.

Floyd Mayweather spent the years, 1996 through 2009 without doing any type of random drug testing, phony or real.

Actual logic.

Floyd Mayweather, will never fight a prime welterweight who is worth anything. History shows he avoided Antonio Margarito, Miguel Cotto, and now, Manny Pacquiao.

[tatangb45]

Re-word everything in bold. It makes no sense. Let's try putting it in english.


Secondly, regarding PED's, why even do drug tests at all if all you're going to say is "This makes Floyd's testing demand a total waste of money and energy. It is not going to clean up the sport, not by a long shot." If that's the case, let's stop all drug testing since there is no way to catch the cheaters. Bright idea buddy. NSAC/The Commission already agrees with Floyd's recommendations.

You know as well as I do that until there's a financial solution that can cover OSDT year round testing, the OST that's currently implemented is the next best thing.

You're not getting it again. Try to open your mind a little bit more.

Floyd's testing of mere 8 weeks leaves a LARGE WINDOW OF OPORTUNITY for a cheater to exploit by cycling peds. And a boxer who has a history of taking fights once every 16+ months can very well be doing just that. That's why Floyd's testing process is worthless, a waste of money and energy. To find out if an athlete is cycling, year round testing is the answer.
Get it now?

Your analogy regarding condoms is not relevant to the problem. It serves a different purpose. It is use only for prevention, not detection. On the other hand, ost is for detection.
Clearer?