Great Article comparing Floyds and Manny rise in weight

[JOM'S]

keep in mind that when pacquiao was fighting at lower weights, he would rehydrate back up to a weight pretty close to where he's fighting now. so the muscle was always there, he just didnt have to drain himself to make weight anymore
floyd on the other hand, as never been one to rehydrate more than a couple pounds





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good post bro, you made a very good point ....

[JOM'S]

Floyd going from the Chavez TKO @ 130 to the Hatton TKO @ 147 was 10 fights and six years apart.

Manny going from the Marquez SD @ 130 to the De La Hoya TKO @ 147 was 2 fights less than 9 months apart.

Keep in mind that 3 out of the last 5 fights at 130 for Pacquiao were dec, which included a natural 122 pound fighter. Morales was weight drained and shot so he quit, and Solis actually rated out Gamboa's power as greater compared to Manny. When he made the jump, he stopped four straight larger guys with better than average chins in the game. That's why some are arguably su****ious of his rapid success above 130, because the way it happen doesn't seem as natural as you would perceive it to be.

LOLZ I would not take Solis comment on PAC's power too much as after the KO he mentioned that his wife hits harder than Manny he he..

[The Nature Boy]

keep in mind that when pacquiao was fighting at lower weights, he would rehydrate back up to a weight pretty close to where he's fighting now. so the muscle was always there, he just didnt have to drain himself to make weight anymore

floyd on the other hand, as never been one to rehydrate more than a couple pounds





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So your saying that because Pacquiao was the naturally bigger guy at the lower weights, he he had more of an advantage than the other fighter competing there. Why didn't he just move up sooner, and how much credit should he deserve for being the naturally bigger guy competing at those lower classes?

[lebrick]

So your saying that because Pacquiao was the naturally bigger guy at the lower weights, he he had more of an advantage than the other fighter competing there. Why didn't he just move up sooner, and how much credit should he deserve for being the naturally bigger guy competing at those lower classes?

3 reasons why he didn't go up in weight immediately..

Barrera
Morales
Marquez

those 3 HOF'ers are enough reason to stay on the lower weights. legacy will be built by fighting them and not by avoiding them..

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So your saying that because Pacquiao was the naturally bigger guy at the lower weights, he he had more of an advantage than the other fighter competing there. Why didn't he just move up sooner, and how much credit should he deserve for being the naturally bigger guy competing at those lower classes?

i don't know if i'd say he had an advantage really, since making the weight probably had some negative effect. i think we can agree the weight that he's fighting at now is where he's best

another example would be victor ortiz or amir khan, both have done better since moving up in weight and not having to drain themselves

as for why he didnt move up earlier...i guess he had unfinished business in the lower weight classes?

[dldwizard]

Hah.

You mean Floyd can't walk on water?

well.. *****s think floyd's the cleanest boxer ever to walk the earth.. and there's nothing he can't do.. so they'd like to think that he can walk on water.. although, IMO.. if he try that sh|t in open seas, his @ss would be so much grass but *****s would just probably blame the sea for being a racist. :rotflmao:

[The Nature Boy]

3 reasons why he didn't go up in weight immediately..

Barrera
Morales
Marquez

those 3 HOF'ers are enough reason to stay on the lower weights. legacy will be built by fighting them and not by avoiding them..

How does that really build your legacy? How can we consider Manny being an ATG for dominating so called bigger guys in DLH, Hatton, Diaz, and Cotto, but also consider him an ATG for barley beating Marquez, losing to Morales, and dominating Barrera at the lower weight classes where he is also shown to be the naturally bigger guy?

[lebrick]

How does that really build your legacy? How can we consider Manny being an ATG for dominating so called bigger guys in DLH, Hatton, Diaz, and Cotto, but also consider him an ATG for barley beating Marquez, losing to Morales, and dominating Barrera at the lower weight classes where he is also shown to be the naturally bigger guy?

beating the 3 people i mentioned would mean you were a certified HOF'er same as them.. ask yourself, would pac be given the cance to compete against the likes of DLH, Hatton and Cotto if he haven't fought the three mexican featherweight kingpins and beat them?

stop drinking the haterade, all boxing fans knows pac build his legacy on the lower weights and what he has been doing today was just an icing on the cake.

he was a lineal champ on 3 division aleady before going up in weights.

[The Nature Boy]

i don't know if i'd say he had an advantage really, since making the weight probably had some negative effect. i think we can agree the weight that he's fighting at now is where he's best

another example would be victor ortiz or amir khan, both have done better since moving up in weight and not having to drain themselves

as for why he didnt move up earlier...i guess he had unfinished business in the lower weight classes?

Maybe, but if he was re-hydrating 15 pounds above the weight limit then he should have just moved up. That's creating an advantage more than a disadvantage imo. Corrales, CasaMayor,Juan Diaz, Freitas, Cotto, Casstillio, Hatton, and Mayweather were all fighting at 135 or 140 at the time. He could have had great fights at those weights, money fights.

[lebrick]

Maybe, but if he was re-hydrating 15 pounds above the weight limit then he should have just moved up. That's creating an advantage more than a disadvantage imo. Corrales, CasaMayor,Juan Diaz, Freitas, Cotto, Casstillio, Hatton, and Mayweather were all fighting at 135 or 140 at the time. He could have had great fights at those weights, money fights.

do you know how much those guys rehydrate at fight night?

pbf fight them all near his weight class.. oh wait, he just fought diego, temible and hatton on your list.. pac should be the one fighting the others..