Finally, a reasonable writeup on why Floyd's PED thoughts are baseless

[Deevel916]

TBH, Mayweather Promotions actually paid more than half for the fight promotions for Star Power and I don't even like Mayweather. I'm just stating facts. Floyd likes dealing with Golden Boy because Richard Schaefer keeps it real, Arum doesn't.

That may be so, but its because GBP is an actual legitimate licensed promotional outfit. Why would Floyd want to split the pie with GBP if he can just promote himself and keep everything himself? Answer is, he cant. Mayweather Promotions isnt an actual boxing promotional company.

[Larry the boss]

Its a behind the scenes deal they have dating back to when Oscar fronted Floyd $10mil prior to his JMM bout. Floyd's ego wont allow this info to be released. Mosley touched on it during thier back and forth bickering though.

i think it goes back to the oscar fight itself..oscar wanted options on floyd as part of the deal

Are you aware that Floyd isnt even licensed to promote fights in LV? Mayweather Promotions is just a name. Its not a legitimate licensed boxing promotional company.

i agree thats why they need goldenboy

So, as I said,

its ok in your view for Floyd to have all in house fights for the last five years,

but not for Manny.

Hypocrite.

Nobody cares why Golden Boy gets paid when Manny fights, and its completely irrelevant to this discussion.

arum is the issue as i stated..not manny..why defend a crook??even manny himself is investingating the guy

TBH, Mayweather Promotions actually paid more than half for the fight promotions for Star Power and I don't even like Mayweather. I'm just stating facts. Floyd likes dealing with Golden Boy because Richard Schaefer keeps it real, Arum doesn't.

yep it was reported 50,jay z and others invested int his fight

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=7&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boxingscene.com%2Fforums%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D486854&ei=dLZ6TuvKNs-1tgeU_vjtDw&usg=AFQjCNHWAcK3fD7lKkYF018coEPFKS6seg

[JohnnyQuppercut]

Keen observation, chap.

Now it's time for you to show us that infamous footage of Floyd getting knocked around and struggling with journeymen at Flyweight, Then years later moving all the way up to Welterweight and manhandling several of the top guys with ease.

There is a doc about Pac that chronicles the problems he had with weight in both of his losses.

Floyd clearly made the more intelligent decision of starting his pro career at a higher weight and had the luxury of coming from a very boxing savvy family. He was also groomed very well as a coveted amateur, where as Pacquiao fought his way out of poverty.

Either way, I fail to see what point you're making. Does Floyd being the better fighter in their late teens excuse Mayweather's ignorance and bogus reasoning about the roid accusations?

[Specialist6]

The proof is in the pudding as it has been detailed here,


Lets start from the top.

- father, a convicted drug dealer
- uncle and trainer, known drug user
- a family that has been in the professional boxing business for over 30 years

Now, with those facts laid out, its easy to see that this family knows the ins and outs of the professional sport from technique and form, to judges and refs, to shortcuts and doping. Its well known that they love to talk about how if you're not a boxer, " you don't know s hit". Again, for a family of professional boxers who have been in the sport for over 30 years, its quite clear they have easily cheated the sport, opponents and its fans with Floyd Mayweather Jrs. career. Floyds dad, has talked about how he knows someone in the sport who had been using steroids for quite a long time, but won't say who. I know most people wouldn't rat out their children, so why would Sr? Red flag alert.

Lets recap Floyds career. He'll quite happily tell you that hes a
5 division champion in less than 10 years, a feat that nobody in the storied history of boxing has achieved. Thats extraordinary, especially for a guy who barely won a bronze medal at the Olympics. Red flag alert.

From his beginnings as a jr. lightweight to lightweight, he had 31 fights, all victories, with 22 KOs for a KO rate of 70%. Now we all know of his hand problems, which is why, as he went higher in weight, his brittle hands couldn't produce as many knockouts. Thats interesting, seeing as how steroid use causes bones to become more fragile. Whats even more interesting is that in over 30 years as a professional boxing family, never, ever, did the Mayweathers acknowledge a need for any even playing fields, in any of their fights. For a family who knows the ins and outs of the sport, why wouldn't they dare acknowledge steroid use within the sport early in Floyds career, or before? "you're not a boxer, you don't know s hit". Red flag alert.

It seems to me, that as Floyds career went on, he was getting bigger and bulkier, while remaining one of the sports fastest. However, there was a price to pay, his hands became more brittle as the years went by. And, his head was getting bigger from the time he was 16. Red flag alert.

Now, lets move on to Floyds career above 135. Hands aren't quite as solid due to heavy use of steroids, so the KOs become less common. From 2004, to 2007, he fought, on average, twice a year. In 2007, the Mosley-Balco scandal became well known. You know what else happened in 2007? Floyd had his last fight before "retiring". Why would someone, who had just gained a newfound celebrity and popularity within the mainstream by defeating two very popular opponents, suddenly "retire" at his peak? He manhandled Oscar De La Hoya at jr. middleweight and knocked out the previously unbeaten Ricky Hatton. Pretty odd that someone would retire right after that. Red flag alert.

Could it be that Floyd needed time to detox? He did say that his body, "needed time to heal". We all know how Floyd loves to portray himself as some thug, and we all know how dudes from the street talk in code, so could that be it? He did stay out of boxing for almost 2 years before returning. But, within that time of "retirement", he was known to pal around with 50 Cent, another former drug dealer and body building type, and he did have that stint on WWE, aka, the Steroid Freaks Haven. If anyone knows how to cycle and detox, it would be professional wrestlers. Red flag alert.

Floyd comes back from "retirement" bigger and stronger than ever with added mass and bulk after the Mosley-Balco talks die down. Head is looking a bit larger as well. It was easy to see how much larger he was than his opponent Juan Manuel Marquez, who is only an inch shorter than Floyd. But it was the body mass that showed the discrepancy in size. Add to the fact that Floyd refused to give a fight night weight, and you have a su****ious character in the ring. He was easily a middleweight that night with all of the added muscle. Red flag alert.

For someone who supposedly would like to prove they are not using any PEDs,

why won't Floyd agree to year round random drug testing since he wants an "even playing field"?

That to me, sounds like a Red flag alert.


I know lots of weed smokers who will agree to take a drug test any time, but when you mention, "year round random drug testing"

"OH NO".


I think since Floyd isn't on a testing schedule right now,

hes probably been roiding after the Mosley bout.

Facts
Beat up his baby momma in a fit of rage.
Put up a racist tirade against Manny Pacquiao in a fit of rage.
Poked a security guard in the face in a fit of rage.

wow wow wow wow wow wow

[horge]

Look it's real simple, and I said it years ago:

Arum wouldn't let Pac fight Floyd right away because win or lose,
there'd only be reduced earnings for Top Rank: Arum makes more
money keeping everyone waiting for a Floyd-Pac, the public buying
every fight until then. There's also the real chance of Pac losing,
with Floyd refusing a rematch, so why rush? If it wasn't for Arum's
intervention in late December of 2009, Pac's on-video counter of
"just not on the day before the fight" should have buried the OST
issue.

Floyd knows Arum's game all too well, and is obliging him, by moving
his "demands" goalposts every time, and making goooood money
fighting seldom while the world waits for a fight between him and Pac,
so why rush?

All sides are leading the world on, milking the sport for maximum $$$$
and promotionally-speaking, they'd be fools not to. As for Pac, he really
isn't lying when he says he's "just a fighter", because old Blob Arum has
Manny by the balls: look what happened to VisionKwest.

[Deal With It]

There is a doc about Pac that chronicles the problems he had with weight in both of his losses.

Floyd clearly made the more intelligent decision of starting his pro career at a higher weight and had the luxury of coming from a very boxing savvy family. He was also groomed very well as a coveted amateur, where as Pacquiao fought his way out of poverty.

Either way, I fail to see what point you're making. Does Floyd being the better fighter in their late teens excuse Mayweather's ignorance and bogus reasoning about the roid accusations?

Based on Pac and his handlers extremely odd reaction to said "roid accusations" the Mayweather's su****ions appear to be well founded.

[edgarg]

If hes not a Golden Boy fighter,

why do they pay for him, promote for him and have all of their logos and banners everywhere in sight when he fights?

His "promotion" company does not, or certainly did not have a promoter's licence, according to the Nevada State Commission he never has applied for one. So when he fights, being the main attraction and wanting to make the most money, and dictate the terms, he hires Golden Balls to do all the promoting, which is a huge job, needing a big organisation to do it properly. And he went to Oscar because he parted with Arum on bad terms, as did Oscar. Childish.....

[Danny Gunz]

Keen observation, chap.

Now it's time for you to show us that infamous footage of Floyd getting knocked around and struggling with journeymen at Flyweight, Then years later moving all the way up to Welterweight and manhandling several of the top guys with ease.

I never understood this argument from Floyd.... and the whole how the media 'knows someone is great at a young age' rant he subscribed to recently.

Clearly the facilities and resources that Floyd Mayweather used in the USA were not available to Manny Pacquiao when he was at a younger age in the Philippines.

[Danny Gunz]

go to goldenboys roster of fighters and tell me where you see floyd...ill wait...

Might wanna check that list again Larry, cause Floyd is definitely sitting there.

http://www.goldenboypromotions.com/fighters/

[Check_hooks]

*****s are getting owned in this thread. They seem to forget that theres a thing called innocent until proven guilty. Floyd defamed, slander and libeled the hell outta Pac and he didn't have a single shred of evidence. And then when the judge asked to to show up he ducked and dodged.

And Pac has stated on video that he agreed to take the test. Arum put a countdown timer on toprank.com waiting for floyd to accept the fight. What did Floyds camp do? They said negotations never happened. HBO's Greenburg told up they did exposing Floyd and his camp as being a bunch of liars.

The facts are this- The Pac-Floyd fight was a done deal before the Clottey fight until Floyd asked for OSDT, something he has no authority to ask for.

Pac agreed to the tests and Floyds camp said negoitations never happened.

Floyd says "Pacquiao, your next!" and "Take the test and we'll fight." and Pac has gone on record saying he'll take the test before, during and after the fight and now Floyd says, "I contradict myself all the time.

To sum it up, there is only one camp thats preventing this fight from happening and it aint Pacquiao's. Pacquiao and Top Rank have been ready for over 2 years to make this fight happen.