Comments Thread For: Like it or Not, Larry… Victor Ortiz Had it Coming

[Dave Rado]

Did you see people complain about how Tyson was knocking people out in the first 1-3 rounds?

You're completely missing the point. A first round highlight-reel knock-out would have been wonderful. A fourth (or fifth or twelfth) round knock-out against someone who had his hands by his sides and was looking the other way was completely ant-climactic. It's not about the number of rounds, it's about the fact that his opponent wasn't in a position to defend himself. It doesn't take a great fighter to knock out someone who isn't in a position to defend himself - anyone could do that. But Floyd is a great fighter and could have delivered a great ending instead of an anti-climactic one that left most people with a sour taste in their mouths.

[Main Source]

You're completely missing the point. A first round highlight-reel knock-out would have been wonderful. A fourth (or fifth or twelfth) round knock-out against someone who had his hands by his sides and was looking the other way was completely ant-climactic. It's not about the number of rounds, it's about the fact that his opponent wasn't in a position to defend himself. It doesn't take a great fighter to knock out someone who isn't in a position to defend himself - anyone could do that. But Floyd is a great fighter and could have delivered a great ending instead of an anti-climactic one that left most people with a sour taste in their mouths.

Did Roy get such hate when he punched Griffin while he was lying on the canvas? Floyd gets hated on because he's Floyd. It has nothing to do with that other stuff. It's double standards. I have no doubt if it was the other way around, then people would applaud Ortiz for taking the opportunity. I could see Lampley clapping his hands like a child. Not only him, but the majority on this childish board.

Of course it's okay to be disappointed. And to be honest, if Floyd was being dominated by Ortiz, and that incident occurred the same way, then I too would be quite disappointed with Floyd. However, Floyd was in control, he pushed the fight, he out-punched Ortiz, and when Ortiz got frustrated and blatantly busted Floyd's mouth with a rocket launched headbutt, Floyd was angry and wanted to get back at him. People seem to forgive and forget Ortiz' headbutt like it was OK as long a point was deducted. I was disgusted. It had nothing to do with boxing nor the rules. In fact, that was the lowest point in the fight. That episode created a chain reaction and Ortiz is to blame for that.

Bottom line, you have every right to be disappointed. But calling Floyd the biggest cheater in boxing, calling his actions to be paralleled with Tyson's ear-biting (**** you Doug Fischer), is just plain silly. Again, this is not aimed at you.

[R.I.P Chico]

What a ridiculously biased piece. Hopefully we do get to see the Manny/Mayweather fight while Manny's still in his prime. As for that chump Ortiz, Guard Your Grill sucker!

[mrbigshot]

i thought this was a refreshing article actually and it hits on some truths

larry always rides on mayweather but he wont do it to pacman


great article

[HAVISJ]

nonsense. floyd vs gatti was a shut down. ortiz vs floyd was competitve that ortiz even won a round and was winning the 4rth round aswell before the incident. floyd would've prolly won anyways but in no way , shape or form would've been a shut down, that's just nuthuggery talking there.

Ortiz was getting his ass whipped. He only landed 26 shots the entire fight. Floyd was actually throwing combos in the 4th. Nothing was as dirty as the head butt in my opinion. The ref said "lets go" and Ortiz lost focus in the biggest fight of his life. What he did just came back to him in the form of a knockout. It was legal and well deserved.

[Visceral]

Lyle Fitzsimmons is such a hack and a terrible writer. Why does he keep geting articles on this site?

[Drunk Punch]

Personally I think Larry had it coming, he's always down on Mayweather, plus I can squeeze a shit out quicker than he can make a sentence. Its painful. The sentence, not the shit.

[JDezi4]

It's actually not human. It's closer to something an animal would do.

What Ortiz did was an adrenaline fueled, spur of the moment mistake. No excuses for the guy, and for the record, I don't even like him, but that's just reality. He did something ****** and probably intentional, but he doesn't have a dirty past, there's no reason to assume it was anything but an emotional response in the biggest fight of his life. It wasn't some cold and calculated plan, unlike Mayweather's. What Mayweather did was bait Ortiz into an undefensive stance, you know, the stance that can get you killed when you take a punch that hard to the side of your head, and then sucker punch him. Ortiz committed a mistake and apologized for it, Mayweather committed a disgrace.

This is just a bias out look on the fight. When Cortez said "lets go!" Floyd walked up looking to fight, then saw that Ortiz wanted another hug, so he thought to himself (and I base this purely off the look on his face) "Damn... U want another hug... Fine, let's hurry this up so I can get u back"

Calculated? Yeah, it was calculated within a matter of seconds (upon realizing Ortiz wanted another hug). U could tell by the look on his face that he was boiling on the inside after that foul. And it appeared that the only thing that kept him from throwing a lead right hand as soon as the ref said "Lets go" was the fact that Ortiz wanted to hug for a 3rd time, and (likely not thinking clearly) accepted it.

And when he saw Ortiz with his hands down (u'll notice Floyd hands were up even during the hug), the boxer in him that was trained to "Attack whenever u see an opening" as well as the angry man out to punish someone that did him wrong combined together and u saw wut happened...

BTW, I'm taking psychology, so...

If he's so good, and I believe he is, he would have thrown that "eye for an eye" bull**** out the window

This sentence is just ridiculous. "If he's so good..." so you're implying that becuz he did that, he's not good? If ur gonna simply repeat Lampley, at least do it in proper context. His skill as a boxer, his rank as 1 of boxing's elite, would not have prevented what happened from happening and its ridiculous to think so.

Aand don't start with the 'how many times does he need to hug him' crap, that'd only be a valid excuse if Mayweather didn't play along solely to land a sucker punch and actually gave Ortiz some kind of motion that he was done with the crap and ready to get started. He didn't, he tricked him to get a cheap win, plain and simple. Spin that **** however you want, you'll continue to be wrong.

In your obviously bias view Floyd apparently initiated the hug... I already explained what it looked like Floyd was thinking from watching his face, but one thing is for certain, ORTIZ started the hug. Its arguable that my observation above was wrong, but it makes more sense than the imaginary "Floyd wanted to pretend to hug him so that he can cheap shot him" theory u came up with, and no doubt already branded into your brain as FACT (which it is not)

[The Devil]

Lyle Fitzsimmons is a a fan not a journlist. what a hack. Mayweather is a cheap shot artist. Got boo'd out of the venue in his own home town, and is ducking Manny Pacquiao worse than he does the IRS.

[1000Islander]

Ortiz certainly isn't innocent here. His intentional foul is indefensible, and an argument could be made that it should have been a 2pt deduction.

He again showed an inability to control his emotions, and it was going to cost him. Victor either gets too high (PBF headbutt), or too low (Maidana). He needs to learn to control that, and keep an even keel.

That being said, Ortiz gave PBF a chance he has seldom seen. It was a chance to be the 'good guy', to be the bigger 'man', and he just didn't seem to be able to grasp it.

Because he is a tremendous talent, people want to find reasons to like PBF, yet, every time he has a chance to show some class, and win those people over, he seems to chose the opposite route.

Even with Merchant, Floyd could have gained some understanding by stating it was a reaction to a very confusing situation (which it probably was). After a guy tries to drive your chin through your forehead and then won't stop cuddling you, it is fair to be a little suspect. Instead though, Floyd went into full attack mode against an 80 year old man. Again he avoided he high road.

Floyd has the market cornered on flash, but, class seems to be a struggle for him.