Comments Thread For: Like it or Not, Larry… Victor Ortiz Had it Coming

[DeeJay23]

Wow!

I cant believe my eyes! a article involving floyd & pac from boxingscene that actually isnt pro pacquiao. Wow....just wow

they even took a few "cheap shots" (pun intended) at pacman.
not only that, they have a quote from floyd sayin pac & bob have been lying all this time about the drug test. Are the tides changing?

[Gino Ros]

not sure. ortiz was looking competitive to me roughin up floyd and landing some good shots.

Again... go watch the beginning of round 4

[Gino Ros]

not sure. ortiz was looking competitive to me roughin up floyd and landing some good shots.

Here's Floyd punishing Victor at the beginning of round 4. this is what made Vic desperate. Notice when Floyd puts hands on him, Victor holds on like a b!tch.

holding on to a smaller man...like a sissy.

[jmmfan]

I don't even know what to say at the highlighted comments from your post. You aren't right pal, I mean... really? This has to be the biggest troll post I've ever seen on this entire message board.

Please for the love of all things, tell me you are trolling and don't really believe the above highlighted things you posted.

I do believe the difference between you and I is that I use critical thinking and common sense to come to a conclusion, while you stick to an absolute bias and don't consider any other perspective. If you honestly think a spur of the moment headbutt is worse than straight out tricking someone into a defenseless position for a free win then you're definitely the one trolling here.

Here's the thing, I'm not saying Ortiz didn't commit a wrong. He did, and he was deducted a point for that wrong.

And no, I'm not a big Ortiz fan. I believe that Mayweather looked amazing and would have tore him up down the stretch, and if he were a true sportsman who had the ability to forgive someone who was practically begging for his forgiveness, he would have done so instead of taking the coward way out. End of story.

[Carpe Diem]

Hands down, Man down.

[Main Source]

nonsense. floyd vs gatti was a shut down. ortiz vs floyd was competitve that ortiz even won a round and was winning the 4rth round aswell before the incident. floyd would've prolly won anyways but in no way , shape or form would've been a shut down, that's just nuthuggery talking there.

How was he winning the fourth round again? Mayweahter almost tripled Ortiz' landing punches.

Haters want to see what they wanna see. If you repeat yourself long enough you'll start to believe what you want to see. At least, that's your logic, isn't it? You've got sonned before with your piss-poor judgements and you fled every time. Well, before you start to pack your rug sack and move again, tell me, how did Ortiz win that round again?

[Main Source]

I do believe the difference between you and I is that I use critical thinking and common sense to come to a conclusion, while you stick to an absolute bias and don't consider any other perspective. If you honestly think a spur of the moment headbutt is worse than straight out tricking someone into a defenseless position for a free win then you're definitely the one trolling here.

Here's the thing, I'm not saying Ortiz didn't commit a wrong. He did, and he was deducted a point for that wrong.

And no, I'm not a big Ortiz fan. I believe that Mayweather looked amazing and would have tore him up down the stretch, and if he were a true sportsman who had the ability to forgive someone who was practically begging for his forgiveness, he would have done so instead of taking the coward way out. End of story.

Yes, you're arguments are mature and you don't stick to name-calling only, like other immature posters around here.

With that said, I still think you're wrong on this matter. Can you tell me how Floyd tricked Ortiz again? I've read some claims that Floyd pretended to hug and then do a pull-counter. If that's your case, then there is no case. Floyd hugged, lightly touched gloves, Ortiz backed away, and Floyd hit him. The fight was called in, time was in. Ortiz shouldn't need to have eye contact with Cortez. Floyd didn't even see that Cortez was looking away.

Bottom line is, no one tricked Ortiz. Ortiz' mind tricked himself. His hands were already low when Cortez called for time in and when the fight was on.

[Dave Rado]

What most people are missing is that the real issue isn't whether Ortiz deserved what he got, but whether the fans deserved what they got. They didn't. Mayweather got paid $40 million for this fight, money which ultimately came from the fans, and in return he delivered a hugely anti-climactic ending. Anyone can get a knock-out by hitting someone who is looking at the ref and has his hands down. It doesn't take a great fighter to be able to do that. But Floyd is a great fighter, and could have got a highlight reel knock-out and sent the fans home happy, instead of giving the fans a massively anti-climactic ending. If he'd done that everyone would have been celebrating a great performance by a true master boxer instead of debating the rights and wrongs of the way the fight ended. Floyd let the fans who pay him down, and himself down, by taking advantage of a man who wasn't in a position to defend himself when he had the ability to get the knock-out using his skills.

And Cortez screwed up big time by looking at the timekeepers instead of at the action at the crucial moment.

[wave]

It's actually not human. It's closer to something an animal would do.

What Ortiz did was an adrenaline fueled, spur of the moment mistake. No excuses for the guy, and for the record, I don't even like him, but that's just reality. He did something ****** and probably intentional, but he doesn't have a dirty past, there's no reason to assume it was anything but an emotional response in the biggest fight of his life. It wasn't some cold and calculated plan, unlike Mayweather's.

so how do you explain victor's previous attempts throughout the fight to headbutt floyd?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu182YB9PUw

[Main Source]

What most people are missing is that the real issue isn't whether Ortiz deserved what he got, but whether the fans deserved what they got. They didn't. Mayweather got paid $40 million for this fight, money which ultimately came from the fans, and in return he delivered a hugely anti-climactic ending. Anyone can get a knock-out by hitting someone who is looking at the ref and has his hands down. It doesn't take a great fighter to be able to do that. But Floyd is a great fighter, and could have got a highlight reel knock-out and sent the fans home happy, instead of giving the fans a massively anti-climactic ending. If he'd done that everyone would have been celebrating a great performance by a true master boxer instead of debating the rights and wrongs of the way the fight ended. Floyd let the fans who pay him down, and himself down, by taking advantage of a man who wasn't in a position to defend himself when he had the ability to get the knock-out using his skills.

And Cortez screwed up big time by looking at the timekeepers instead of at the action at the crucial moment.

Why do you pretend that this is about buying PPV-tickets? This happens all the time in boxing and any other sport. Like any other sport, it's unpredictable. You want the fighters to arrange when and how they're going to end the fight beforehand?

Did you see people complain about how Tyson was knocking people out in the first 1-3 rounds? Or how Roy was destroying no-names in his prime? No, they got what they came for. A good fight, a good show and eventually a KO as a bonus. We got 4 good rounds and a KO.

Did the fans of Osasuna want their money back when they got beat 0-8 by Barcelona last week? No, nobody knew how the game would have ended. It's a competitive sport, it's unpredictable. You, as a customer, should know this. There are no guarantees and you simply can't ask for a guarantee, not even in this sport.

Actually, the majority of people who are complaining about the outcome either have a political agenda (by being politically correct) or just wanted Ortiz to win.

To me, it seemed that the people who ATTENDED the fight at the arena were quite happy. They got a great fight.

Even a casual fight fan like Jenna Jameson said she was entertained.

Were you not entertained? Or did you just hope that Ortiz would knock Floyd out because you hate Floyd? (this question is not only directed at you).